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Old 08-08-22, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag View Post
Okay, thanks for the price checks. At the prices I quoted the rims and spokes plus tax and shipping have been $300 just for the parts and I'd still have to build the wheels.

Velo Orange has rim and wheel options, as do many other shops. The VO wheels look to be relatively heavy rims with straight gage spokes and the wrong spacing, so not a good fit for my needs.

So, if I bought an assembled wheel with 126 mm spacing, Can I simply remove a spacer to fit the hub into a 120 mm frame? There is also re-dishing required, correct?

The hunt is on!
I think it'd depend on the hub whether you could just remove the spacer(s), and yes, with a 6mm difference you'd have to re-dish.
It's pretty simple to cold-set a frame from 120 to 126 (the Sheldon 2x4 method or the threaded rod method.....)- if you stick with 5sp after that you may need a spacer behind the freewheel to keep your chainline, or you could then go to a 6 or 7sp freewheel...

I think you're about right with the pricing- I've built a couple sets of wheels from new parts over the past year (V-O rims & hubs, Sapim spokes), and shopping around and waiting for sales (V-O seem to have a 20% or 25% off sale a couple times a year....) they've come out to about $300 a set. In terms of parts quality, if you DIY you'll get a much nicer wheel for the $ than spending an equal amount on a pre-built set. Build quality will of course be up to you!

I've found building wheels to be kind of fun. The Roger Musson book is a great resource, and if you're reasonably handy the truing DIY truing stand design is easy to make, too....

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Old 08-08-22, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew_G View Post
If you want new wheels built to vintage specifications (aka "obsolete"), you'll have to find a vintage friendly bike shop.


In Southern California (Long Beach) I recommend: https://www.thebicyclestand.org
What is 'vintage specifications' now? I think any competent wheel builder can build a vintage wheel if you gave him the hub and rim.
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag View Post
So, if I bought an assembled wheel with 126 mm spacing, Can I simply remove a spacer to fit the hub into a 120 mm frame? There is also re-dishing required, correct?
Correct, you'd have to re-center the rim across the locknuts, and also cut 6mm from one end of the axle, unless it's a solid/nutted axle.
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Old 08-08-22, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ehcoplex View Post
I think it'd depend on the hub whether you could just remove the spacer(s), and yes, with a 6mm difference you'd have to re-dish.
It's pretty simple to cold-set a frame from 120 to 126 (the Sheldon 2x4 method or the threaded rod method.....)- if you stick with 5sp after that you may need a spacer behind the freewheel to keep your chainline, or you could then go to a 6 or 7sp freewheel...

I think you're about right with the pricing- I've built a couple sets of wheels from new parts over the past year (V-O rims & hubs, Sapim spokes), and shopping around and waiting for sales (V-O seem to have a 20% or 25% off sale a couple times a year....) they've come out to about $300 a set. In terms of parts quality, if you DIY you'll get a much nicer wheel for the $ than spending an equal amount on a pre-built set. Build quality will of course be up to you!

I've found building wheels to be kind of fun. The Roger Musson book is a great resource, and if you're reasonably handy the truing DIY truing stand design is easy to make, too....
Thank you for confirming what I suspected regarding costs and scope of work. I am just suffering "sticker shock".

I have everything I need to build wheels - truing stand with a dial micrometer, dishing gage,... I even have a spoke wrench.
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Old 08-08-22, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag View Post
Thank you for confirming what I suspected regarding costs and scope of work. I am just suffering "sticker shock".

I have everything I need to build wheels - truing stand with a dial micrometer, dishing gage,... I even have a spoke wrench.
It's not cheap. Used wheels are sometimes the way to go. I completely dismantle them, clean and polish all components, straighten the spokes then flatten and true out-of-round rims before lacing.

Do you have a spoke tensiometer?
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Old 08-08-22, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
It's not cheap. Used wheels are sometimes the way to go. I completely dismantle them, clean and polish all components, straighten the spokes then flatten and true out-of-round rims before lacing.

Do you have a spoke tensiometer?
Flatten the spokes or the rims? And if you mean rims, how do you do that?
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Originally Posted by rgvg View Post
Flatten the spokes or the rims? And if you mean rims, how do you do that?
I should have said, straighten the spokes, not flatten them.

You need a flat surface, I use my cast iron table saw but a stone countertop or heavy piece of glass works as well. If the rim does not lie flat, you have to find the high spots and bend them down until the rim does not wobble when pushed with your finger at any given point.

You want to start with straight spokes as well as "true" (flat and round) rims before lacing them because if you rely on the spokes to pull the rim true, you will never achieve uniform tension for the spokes, which is key to having a durable wheel.
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You have everything you need but spokes and rims. Regularly check the local CL, OfferUp, FB market, etc for 6 speed wheel sets. If the eyelets aren’t too rusty, the brake tracks look “good”, and they are pretty true, you have found your rims. A few days of liquid wrench at the spoke-nipple interface and you might be able to use the spokes.
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Old 08-08-22, 10:09 PM
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Su M13 polished from Carson City Bike Shop

A number of people have mentioned this rim and I concur. They sell them in polish and satin and you can get them in 700c and 27 and 32 or 36 spokes My go to place is Carson City Bike Shop at their online store. About $30 a rim. Their interface is very unwieldy but the price is great and shipping is reasonable in USA.

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/compo...riceasc&page=4
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Here they are on my Allegro and PX10

Originally Posted by Sactown_Albert View Post
A number of people have mentioned this rim and I concur. They sell them in polish and satin and you can get them in 700c and 27 and 32 or 36 spokes My go to place is Carson City Bike Shop at their online store. About $30 a rim. Their interface is very unwieldy but the price is great and shipping is reasonable in USA.

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/compo...riceasc&page=4



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Originally Posted by Bad Lag View Post
So, if I bought an assembled wheel with 126 mm spacing, can I simply remove a spacer to fit the hub into a 120 mm frame? There is also re-dishing required, correct?
I wouldn't want to do that based on the spoke length differences between the two o.l.d.s, especially after shelling out for a new wheel. When I buy something new, I want it to be correct, right out of the gate.
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Old 08-09-22, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sactown_Albert View Post
A number of people have mentioned this rim and I concur. They sell them in polish and satin and you can get them in 700c and 27 and 32 or 36 spokes My go to place is Carson City Bike Shop at their online store. About $30 a rim. Their interface is very unwieldy but the price is great and shipping is reasonable in USA.

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/compo...riceasc&page=4
I'll second the plug for Carson City (and also agree their website is very unwieldy....), but advise calling or emailing them before ordering (they're usually pretty quick to respond to emails)- it's often unclear what the drilling is with rims offered on their site.
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Old 08-09-22, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sactown_Albert View Post
that PX is a beaut!
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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
Do you have a spoke tensiometer?
I do. Really, I have everything I need.
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Oh, man! Those are real beauties.
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