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Robvolz 08-07-22 09:32 AM

I take it this is not English Thread
 
I got a phone call from a friend who works at a community cycle center. They got a box of random parts including a campy six speed gear set. (I thought they were called cassettes but someone corrected me)

anyway, the box said “English Thread”

it never occurred to me that Italian parts could also be threaded for other countries. I am also under the assumption that if my record hubs were English threaded. They would say England instead of Italy. Amiright?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb5fdc413.jpeg

RustyJames 08-07-22 10:14 AM

Italy is the country of origin. The 35x24 is the size/thread.

zandoval 08-07-22 10:23 AM

Salvaged from the Parts Bin... Well ya never know, sometimes even when its marked. Or French... Ha

branko_76 08-07-22 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 22601607)
I got a phone call from a friend who works at a community cycle center. They got a box of random parts including a campy six speed gear set. (I thought they were called cassettes but someone corrected me)

anyway, the box said “English Thread”

it never occurred to me that Italian parts could also be threaded for other countries. I am also under the assumption that if my record hubs were English threaded. They would say England instead of Italy. Amiright?

"English" would be 34.8 x 24 which is very close to "Italian" 35 x 24.

I've never tried to thread English to Italian or the other way around but I have read of others doing so

dweenk 08-07-22 12:03 PM

Close works in horseshoes and hand grenades.

79pmooney 08-07-22 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Robvolz (Post 22601607)
I am also under the assumption that if my record hubs were English threaded. They would say England instead of Italy. Amiright?

That assumes logic in the bike world. Not a safe assumption. Bike standards were all over the place until the '70s and '80s when the Japanese took the best of that was out there (with minor changes) and made that their standard. With their enormous market share (and insistence from mechanics that their shop carry those so-easy-to-deal-with brands, that standard became near universal for a few years. Now systems have changed and are changing and the standards mess is not a whole lot better than 50 years ago, just different.

79pmooney 08-07-22 12:17 PM

And joking - this is an English thread! Every word of it. In fact, other countries are referenced by their English spellings. (I'm going for a ride. I clearly need it.)

madpogue 08-07-22 01:00 PM

So is "Jtaly" an English or Italian spelling?

branko_76 08-07-22 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 22601838)
Close works in horseshoes and hand grenades.

which one should I send your way?

machinist42 08-07-22 01:39 PM

Such Knowledge on this Forum!
 

Originally Posted by RustyJames (Post 22601662)
Italy is the country of origin. The 35x24 is the size/thread.

So I take it this hub originated in the UK? (Probably from Campagnolo's Factory outside London, in County Bullshire?)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99e46dc799.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd4c271523.jpg

dweenk 08-07-22 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by branko_76 (Post 22601924)
which one should I send your way?

Horseshoe please.

icemilkcoffee 08-07-22 03:18 PM

Yes , Italian thread: 35mm diameter x 24TPI

madpogue 08-08-22 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by machinist42 (Post 22601954)
(Probably from Campagnolo's Factory outside London, in County Bullshire?)

Actually, I believe it's in Horsefeathershire?

RustyJames 08-08-22 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by machinist42 (Post 22601954)
So I take it this hub originated in the UK? (Probably from Campagnolo's Factory outside London, in County Bullshire?)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99e46dc799.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd4c271523.jpg

Definitely from county Bullshire. They make horseshoes and hand grenades in a factory down the road from the Campy factory.

Some day someone will explain to me the mish-mash of metric/fractional on bikes and how that came to be. 9/16” spindles thread into 170mm arms that ride on 1/4” bearings in a 68mm wide bottom bracket. Pick a unit of measurements and go with it!!

madpogue 08-08-22 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by RustyJames (Post 22602762)
9/16” spindles thread into 170mm arms that ride on 1/4” bearings in a 68mm wide bottom bracket.

...and turn chainrings with a 110mm BCD that drive a chain with links spaced 1/2" on center....

RustyJames 08-08-22 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by madpogue (Post 22602820)
...and turn chainrings with a 110mm BCD that drive a chain with links spaced 1/2" on center....

“I need tires for my 26” wheels.”

”Which 26” wheel?”

😵‍💫

philbob57 08-08-22 12:03 PM

Per Sheldon: 'The older British and Italian standards use the same thread pitch but a very slightly different thread diameter, and are generally interchangeable. However, for strong riders and on tandems, it is best not to mix and match -- freewheels sometimes do strip the threads of aluminium hubs.'

I've used ISO freewheels on Italian-threaded hubs for a few years now without problems. I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that it's a bad idea to go back to an Italian-threaded freewheel, but since it's 2022 and I live in the US, I'm unlikely to want to that.

unworthy1 08-08-22 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by madpogue (Post 22602577)
Actually, I believe it's in Horsefeathershire?

where, by law and Church, they use nought but Whitworth measurements.

;)

madpogue 08-08-22 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 22603189)
where, by law and Church, they use nought but Whitworth measurements.

And by pub? (Meself'll have a Whitworth pin' o' Stout....)

repechage 08-08-22 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by RustyJames (Post 22601662)
Italy is the country of origin. The 35x24 is the size/thread.

yes, but in this case the size stamping shown in the original post is for the thread type of the hub. Italian thread by an Italian company.
as opposed to English thread.
this hub was post CPSC by co-incidence.
prior one needed a Campagnolo decoder ring.
no groove - italian
one groove english
two grooves- French. ( most of the time unless it was plain)

Campagnolo dropped French hub threading as soon as practical.

the differences between Italian and English are primarily the inclusive angle of the individual thread, one at 60 degrees, the other at 55.
and I don't recall which is which, that is what Sutherland's is for.

thumpism 08-08-22 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by RustyJames (Post 22602762)
Some day someone will explain to me the mish-mash of metric/fractional on bikes and how that came to be. 9/16” spindles thread into 170mm arms that ride on 1/4” bearings in a 68mm wide bottom bracket. Pick a unit of measurements and go with it!!

Furlongs per fortnight would only serve to further confuse you.


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