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Which Cinelli (stem) cap is more desirable?

Old 08-15-22, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
I have a rear hub, if you are interested.
I missed buying this NOS wheel set on eBay because I couldn't find much about Formula 20 rims, other than I knew they are tubular rims. And I wanted Italian threads for the freewheel, which seem to be much less common.
And the freewheel type wasn't listed, so I would need to use ISO or English threaded freewheel. $378 taxed and shipped, wish I had bought the set, but I just didn't know enough to jump on them.
I don't intend to actually ride the SC, so I can put new bearings in the bad hub if want to install the wheels. The wheel set has been sold on eBay, not surprisingly, I would guess.




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Old 08-15-22, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
You can't just make a statement like that without a picture of the bike. Did I miss it somewhere?
The OP is doing a restoration, and the thread got hijacked, I was trying to help with the timeline, and it blew up.
I hadn't seen what Billytwosheds posted with the Steel Vintage link before.
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Originally Posted by Peroni View Post
I missed buying this NOS wheel set on eBay because I couldn't find much about Formula 20 rims, other than I knew they are tubular rims. And I wanted Italian threads for the freewheel, which seem to be much less common.
And the freewheel type wasn't listed, so I would need to use ISO or English threaded freewheel. $378 taxed and shipped, wish I had bought the set, but I just didn't know enough to jump on them.
I don't intend to actually ride the SC, so I can put new bearings in the bad hub if want to install the wheels. The wheel set has been sold on eBay, not surprisingly, I would guess.
How bad are the races, cones bad too?, @Mad Honk

Is a genius at rehabbing bearing races, also thick automotive axle grease can mitigate some of the wear for very limited use with new bearings. If the cones are ok, they should be set aside and be replaced with others, MH can work wonders with them as well depending on how far gone they are.
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Originally Posted by zandoval View Post
The Flying C certainly looks better.
Nuh uh, no way dude.
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Hi Peroni, the extra photos of the Supercorsa are lovely. At a quick glance it looks to be mostly kitted out with Campy Super Record except for the front derailleur which is Nuovo Record. Nothing wrong with that though. I think the only difference between the Nuovo and Super Record front derailleurs is that the Super Record had black anodised arms. I have resorted to painting these in the past.

The alloy bodied Super Record headsets have always suffered with pitting of the races. I have often popped a cup out of the frame and turned it a little to get a bit more life out of the headset. It is really annoying to have the steering 'notch' into place and not be free to turn with smoothness. I like the old steel Nuovo Record headsets better. But, on an all Super Record bike I kinda stick with a Super Record headset. The newer C-Record headsets suffer from the same problem with the balls indenting the race.

As for the rear hub races - they can be replaced but I too would just change the ball bearings and go with that. If it is not ridden much that fix would be quite okay.

In my feeble mind, a Cinelli bike is the 'ultimate' and the 80's versions of the Supercorsa are the next best thing to owning a Cino Cinelli era frame.

SORRY Robvolz for being an accessory in this hijacking of your thread - sorry.

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when was the Cino Cinelli era?

I heard a mention of 1978 is the year Columbus Tubing bought them.

Did he stick around as an employee of the company? President emeritus style?

Or was he bitter like designer Jil Sander after Prada bought them?

Also, thread hi-jacker Peroni.....Where-abouts do you live? I might have a rear hub.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
when was the Cino Cinelli era?

I heard a mention of 1978 is the year Columbus Tubing bought them.

Did he stick around as an employee of the company? President emeritus style?

Or was he bitter like designer Jil Sander after Prada bought them?

Also, thread hi-jacker Peroni.....Where-abouts do you live? I might have a rear hub.
I think it was pre 1978. I think his son did stick around for a while. Now - I may be completely wrong. Hi Robvolz.
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Originally Posted by billytwosheds View Post
Ah now this is interesting. I did a tiny bit of research into Cinelli after picking up an SC recently, and this transition period with Antonio Columbo stood out:

(Steel Vintage)

Long before I was interested in vintage bikes, the Cinello flying C was for me the most recognizable cycling logo indicating some sense of class and long standing tradition. I'd see it at tattoo shops and skate shops and bars. It hadn't yet occurred to me that the logo might not be as old as it felt, and that the timeline of branding revisions and business acquisitions could be quite interesting itself.

Re: the stem in question, I'm with a lot people on the forum in being period correct if you have it or can afford it.
Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
when was the Cino Cinelli era?

I heard a mention of 1978 is the year Columbus Tubing bought them.

Did he stick around as an employee of the company? President emeritus style?

Or was he bitter like designer Jil Sander after Prada bought them?

Also, thread hi-jacker Peroni.....Where-abouts do you live? I might have a rear hub.
Originally Posted by Gary Fountain View Post
I think it was pre 1978. I think his son did stick around for a while. Now - I may be completely wrong. Hi Robvolz.
billy had it here already, here it is again,

In 1978, Antonio Colombo [their emphasis] joined Cinelli as the main shareholder and the successor of Cino Cinelli. He set about updating the company and commissioned the new Cinelli logo to Italo Lupi, a young architect who over the years would design important logos; Prada, Fiorucci and the Turin Olympics. Cinelli's logo was among the first to completely distance itself from the heraldic tradition, becoming the most imitated logo of the internet of modern cycling.
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Old 08-16-22, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
How bad are the races, cones bad too?, @Mad Honk

Is a genius at rehabbing bearing races, also thick automotive axle grease can mitigate some of the wear for very limited use with new bearings. If the cones are ok, they should be set aside and be replaced with others, MH can work wonders with them as well depending on how far gone they are.
The cones and races are bad, and the rims are Fiamme Ergal Gold. Thankfully, water damage doesn't seem to be more than the rear hub and saddle, if thats what it is, not much more is obvious to me.

I'm sorta lucky with auctions it's beginning to seem like. I've gotten the tracking number for a Colnago that I bid on last week. The frame is dark blue metallic appearing, and the down tube decal is funny looking. The three auction pictures aren't very good, and I haven't been able to find a picture of another actual bicycle with similar paint and decals.
It should be delivered on Thurs. I'll post what I have in a new thread here in C&V, it won't be good if I don't get my ducks in a row to photograph and post better pictures of it, is what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Peroni View Post
The OP is doing a restoration, and the thread got hijacked, I was trying to help with the timeline, and it blew up.
I hadn't seen what Billytwosheds posted with the Steel Vintage link before.
This thread has gone all over the place. I was just trying to entice @Robvolz to show us a pic of his De Rosa.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
This thread has gone all over the place. I was just trying to entice @Robvolz to show us a pic of his De Rosa.
You of all people having been here for as long as you have should have known better.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
You of all people having been here for as long as you have should have known better.
What do you mean? Most of us are more than happy to share a De Rosa pic with the slightest provocation. For instance....

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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
What do you mean? Most of us are more than happy to share a De Rosa pic with the slightest provocation. For instance....

I know but we seem to have a new contingent that seems to not readily get that, that is what we're all about. Seems more like pulling teeth and immediately veering off on a tangent by asking such a simple question. We still don't know how the SP and rear brake cable interface on the filet brazed oddities the other new guy posted and sent us down the garden path with.

And of course its good to see your DeRosa again, although it sets a high bar, we may still not see the OP's.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
And of course its good to see your DeRosa again, although it sets a high bar, we may still not see the OP's.
Well, given that he's sweating details like which cap to put on his stem, I think he's on the right track.
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Well, given that he's sweating details like which cap to put on his stem, I think he's on the right track.
Agreed, hopefully they get further onboard as we roll along here.
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I didn't pull and save my own auction photos back in March 2021, and have only one picture. It's fairly embarrassing, I'm sure no one can imagine.

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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
when was the Cino Cinelli era?
Early in 1947, Cino Cinelli bought Cinelli Inc. from his older brothers Giotto and Arrigo. In 1978, Cino sold it to Antonio Colombo.

Giotto/Arrigo logo



Cino Logo



Antonio logo

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Oh, we’re posting De Rosas?!!! 😺

1978.
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Cino must have been involved somehow post-Columbus. This 1985 ad states "the frame is designed by Cino Cinelli and production is coordinated and supervised by his staff"--long after he had sold his company to Columbus.

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Cino must have been involved somehow post-Columbus. This 1985 ad states "the frame is designed by Cino Cinelli and production is coordinated and supervised by his staff"--long after he had sold his company to Columbus.
Cinelli "designed" the frame in 1947-1951. As for "his staff", puffery. When he retired, he retired.

https://bikeraceinfo.com/oralhistory...interview.html
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Cinelli "designed" the frame in 1947-1951. As for "his staff", puffery. When he retired, he retired.

https://bikeraceinfo.com/oralhistory...interview.html
Obviously, the frame he designed that far back was much different in nearly all respects from the Centurion, from geometry to lugs to material.

I am flying to NYC tomorrow for my son’s college move in, however, and am looking forward to reading this. Thanks for the link.
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1979 De Rosa and Cinelli 1R

Here is mine.

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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Cinelli "designed" the frame in 1947-1951. As for "his staff", puffery. When he retired, he retired.

https://bikeraceinfo.com/oralhistory...interview.html
Well, that was worth reading. Thanks for posting it. 👍😎👍
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Cinelli "designed" the frame in 1947-1951. As for "his staff", puffery. When he retired, he retired.

https://bikeraceinfo.com/oralhistory...interview.html
I'll need to read it several times in my case, but I'm enjoying parts and pieces of it now.
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Originally Posted by Andy Antipas View Post
Here is mine.

Very nice Andy, I don't know how one person can have so many very nice bikes but I'm glad you do because we get to see them.

And this one brings up another quandary for me, when did the bars go to the flyin ef C? Velo-base has some in 1980 and some later with the old logo still in use for awhile at the same time on the bars.

For me, I don't want to see any mixed combo's, bars and stem, old, old or new, new, no mixing it up.

Andy's got it right here as I would expect.

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