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When did top tune braze-ons become such a rage?

Old 08-19-22, 02:57 PM
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When did top tube braze-ons become such a rage?

I look back at the Italians, DeRosa, Collage, Masi, Etc. Nobody was doing it in 73, then by 77 everybody seems to be doing it.

Maybe around the same time down tube shifter braze-ons became the rage as well.

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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
I look back at the Italians, DeRosa, Collage, Masi, Etc. Nobody was doing it in 73, then by 77 everybody seems to be doing it.
It appears you've answered your own question then.
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Top Tube cable guides were not an all at once thing, but had gained momentum by the end of the 1970's.
Some just did not maintain their bikes, and rust formed under the clip.
Later rust formed at the edge of the guide. Probably faster as the small edges of the guide just did not provide a good place for paint to stick.
Powdercoat? Don't even. As the powder transitions to the semi luquid state it pulls away from this edges.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Top Tube cable guides were not an all at once thing, but had gained momentum by the end of the 1970's.
Some just did not maintain their bikes, and rust formed under the clip.
Later rust formed at the edge of the guide. Probably faster as the small edges of the guide just did not provide a good place for paint to stick.
Powdercoat? Don't even. As the powder transitions to the semi luquid state it pulls away from this edges.
I braze on stainless steel cable guides for this very reason, and have powder coated a few dozen frames without worrying about rust.
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"Rage"?

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I want those braze-ons that will keep my bikes in tune. Where can I get them? Where do you put them? How much do they weigh? Any drawbacks?

I've stopped playing music what with COVID and not going to jams. If I got my bikes in tune, I might get inspired again.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
I look back at the Italians, DeRosa, Collage, Masi, Etc. Nobody was doing it in 73, then by 77 everybody seems to be doing it.
Maybe that was when they noticed that the Brits had been doing it for quite a while?
My '74 Raleigh International didn't have those nasty cable clamps that rusted and messed up the paint....




of course, I can only assume that Raleigh was trying to copy the Italian style when they used cable clips on the Professional...


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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
I braze on stainless steel cable guides for this very reason, and have powder coated a few dozen frames without worrying about rust.
yep, using that pricy silver soldier, we are talking 1970's production tech.
Not you later artisans...
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
My '74 Raleigh International
My 1960 Paramount is similar.
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Couldn’t figure out how to edit the title

I'm a victim of autocorrect
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy View Post
Maybe that was when they noticed that the Brits had been doing it for quite a while?
My '74 Raleigh International didn't have those nasty cable clamps that rusted and messed up the paint....



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D*mn, that is a beautiful International.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
I look back at the Italians, DeRosa, Collage, Masi, Etc. Nobody was doing it in 73, then by 77 everybody seems to be doing it.

Maybe around the same time down tube shifter braze-ons became the rage as well.
I purchased a Masi Gran Criterium from Harris Bicycle Shop in Pacific Beach in the summer of 1975 for USD 750. It must have been one of the early ones because it had the twin plate crown and zero braze-ons. By the end of 1975, early '76 I remember seeing the new Masi's coming out with all the braze-ons. I thought my bike looked so old fashioned with all the clamped on pieces: shift bosses, top tube guides (don't remember about the BB derailleur guides). Eventually I did get all the new bits when I had the DS dropout replaced from a crash. Now my bike is just old.
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Originally Posted by HelpSingularity View Post
I purchased a Masi Gran Criterium from Harris Bicycle Shop in Pacific Beach in the summer of 1975 for USD 750. It must have been one of the early ones because it had the twin plate crown and zero braze-ons. By the end of 1975, early '76 I remember seeing the new Masi's coming out with all the braze-ons. I thought my bike looked so old fashioned with all the clamped on pieces: shift bosses, top tube guides (don't remember about the BB derailleur guides). Eventually I did get all the new bits when I had the DS dropout replaced from a crash. Now my bike is just old.
3rd quarter of 1976, Masi was still not adding braze ons as a production item. I ordered shift braze ons, no problem but had to ask, $10. upcharge. top tube guides were standard clips, as it should be.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz View Post
Couldn’t figure out how to edit the title

I'm a victim of autocorrect
Good title, don't change it.
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I just love the braze-ons. Wow... Looking over the new un-afrodable bikes in the 70s made ya think you had a real trick going if ya saw braze-ons and those wonderful Columbus Tubing decals...

Saw a very nice Fixy outside of Epoch in Austin a few years ago. It was a Vintage stripped down Colnago with home made Bull Horns and a rail for a seat. It was well used with barely visible original decals and paint. It was clean with no rust and appeared to have a brand new carbon wheel set grafted in with slick continental tires. The owner, some typical Austin Yippy Dippy came strolling out as I examined the bike. I turned to him and said, "Thank God ya didn't hack off the braze-ons and bosses." He replied with a smile, "Yep... I'm gonna need them when I'm your age."

It was such a good feeling to know that, that Colnago was going to continue to have a good life...
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