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60's Derailleurs
Hiya folks,
I'm planning a new project; early 60's Holdsworth Cyclone or Monsoon (but I haven't got a frame yet).
I'm either going to build it period (ish) or swap in some functional later parts (1980 max).
But I'm stuck on which period derailleur would work.
I'm thinking 5 speed 14-28 + 52/36 for the gears which gives max cog 28 / wrap 30
For 80s I would pick SunTour Cyclone GT Mk 1 + SunTour Power Shifters
I've looked at Campy Gran Sport or Record and it looks like they can't handle cog 28 / wrap 30.
Can anybody suggest a 60s derailleur that would work ?
I'm planning a new project; early 60's Holdsworth Cyclone or Monsoon (but I haven't got a frame yet).
I'm either going to build it period (ish) or swap in some functional later parts (1980 max).
But I'm stuck on which period derailleur would work.
I'm thinking 5 speed 14-28 + 52/36 for the gears which gives max cog 28 / wrap 30
For 80s I would pick SunTour Cyclone GT Mk 1 + SunTour Power Shifters
I've looked at Campy Gran Sport or Record and it looks like they can't handle cog 28 / wrap 30.
Can anybody suggest a 60s derailleur that would work ?
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Campy NR with longer cage can handle it.
My Holdsworth was a mix of campy FD and RD, Sugino cranks, Universal brakes. Brooks saddle.
My Holdsworth was a mix of campy FD and RD, Sugino cranks, Universal brakes. Brooks saddle.
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Huret Allvit (1958) could shift a 14 to 28 freewheel...not sure about the wrap.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Campy NR with longer cage can handle it.
My Holdsworth was a mix of campy FD and RD, Sugino cranks, Universal brakes. Brooks saddle.
My Holdsworth was a mix of campy FD and RD, Sugino cranks, Universal brakes. Brooks saddle.
But there are mentions of fitting a Rally long cage to a NR derailleur.
Is that what you're talking about ?
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Huret Allvit long cage.
Le Cyclo would also work, and some builders used them into the '60s.
Or if you want to get something really rare, or make something yourself, you could go for a copy of the Spence Wolf cage for the Campy. These were available in the '60s.
Le Cyclo would also work, and some builders used them into the '60s.
Or if you want to get something really rare, or make something yourself, you could go for a copy of the Spence Wolf cage for the Campy. These were available in the '60s.
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Originally Posted by scarlson
Huret Allvit long cage.
Le Cyclo would also work, and some builders used them into the '60s.
Or if you want to get something really rare, or make something yourself, you could go for a copy of the Spence Wolf cage for the Campy. These were available in the '60s.
Le Cyclo would also work, and some builders used them into the '60s.
Or if you want to get something really rare, or make something yourself, you could go for a copy of the Spence Wolf cage for the Campy. These were available in the '60s.
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Originally Posted by clubman
Huret Allvit (1958) could shift a 14 to 28 freewheel...not sure about the wrap.
In the 1960s the Allvit was used on Varsities...and Singers and Herses. It worked.
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I have a 1961 Hetchins, but rather than use the fairly narrow derailleur choices of that period, I figured an owner would have gone with an upgrade when it became available: I went with first gen SunTour Superbe.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
I have a 1961 Hetchins, but rather than use the fairly narrow derailleur choices of that period, I figured an owner would have gone with an upgrade when it became available: I went with first gen SunTour Superbe.
1976 Cyclone GT mk1
1977 Superbe
I use a Cyclone GT Mk2 on my 1982 Holdsworth Avanti
Plus I really like the Cyclone + Power Shifters combination.
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The Huret Allvit is your only decent European choice to get the job done! Campy might look cool but you'd be a fool to choose something so bad!
Japanese is the only avenue that you have for practical superior operation & reliabilty.
Shimano's Lark was in production in 1967-1968. Maeda SUNTOUR produced rear derailleur models prior to 1970.
Did any Japanese rear derailleurs come as standard equipment on "classic european marque" bicycles of that era? Well NO, they did not. In fact the "classic european marque" bicycle manufacturers hung on to vastly inferior rear derailleurs well into the Seventies while Kmart bicycles, Sears bikes sourced from Murray, Huffy, & Columbia all featured Shimano rear derailleurs, as well as all the excellent Japanese import ten speeds which featured Shimano or Maeda Suntour. Schwinn did too, as the Paramount, the Super Sport, the Varsity, the Continental, and the 10 speed Suburban all continued to receive INFERIOR SECOND CLASS European rear derailleurs. Sadly, the Paramount was saddled with a POS Campagnolo rear derailleur, even well after it became apparent that Maeda SUNTOUR & Shimano units were far better.
Shimano & Maeda Suntour annihilated Campagnolo, Simplex & Huret in the rear derailleur category in very short order because compared to anything from Shimano or Suntour , virtually every Campy & Simplex rear derailleur was a POS, and while the Huret Allvit was the best overall European made rear derailleur, it still was second rate compared to any rear derailleur that Shimano or Suntour offered from 1968 onwards.
Yes, the Japanese copied & comingled the best of the existing European designs and further refined them. Japanese engineering and quality control took rear derailleurs to a level that had never existed before. The Japanese have never relinquished their command of engineering excellence and innovation, as no European manufacturer ever came close again, regardless of what significant advances that those historic European manufacturers had achieved in the four decades prior to 1965.
Yes, Shimano & Maeda SUNTOUR rear derailleurs were that much better than anything CAMPY, SIMPLEX & HURET had to offer.
You are an idiot if you think that you can get the operational quality from such a Campagnolo or Simplex rear derailleur.
It was simply a case of "IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM, YOU JOIN THEM" and public acceptance of the vastly superior Japanese rear derailleurs was swift and quick despite that many ordinary "common" $79 department store ten speeds came so equipped. Sad to say but for more than a few years, you had fine European marque 10 speeds that did cost five times as much as those $79 dept store bikes, yet they came factory equipped with rear derailleurs that weren't nearly the quality of the Japanese rear derailleurs that were on those $79 dept store bikes. There is no shame in getting rid of that OEM POS European made rear derailleur for a Maeda SUNTOUR unit . Folks were doing the exact same thing with their very expensive brand new bikes back in 1971. There is no reason to have a CRAPPY rear derailleur on your bicycle, even though you believe that it looks cool and it has that Italian heritage and mystique despite it being second rate junk compared to SUNTOUR or Shimano units.
Japanese is the only avenue that you have for practical superior operation & reliabilty.
Shimano's Lark was in production in 1967-1968. Maeda SUNTOUR produced rear derailleur models prior to 1970.
Did any Japanese rear derailleurs come as standard equipment on "classic european marque" bicycles of that era? Well NO, they did not. In fact the "classic european marque" bicycle manufacturers hung on to vastly inferior rear derailleurs well into the Seventies while Kmart bicycles, Sears bikes sourced from Murray, Huffy, & Columbia all featured Shimano rear derailleurs, as well as all the excellent Japanese import ten speeds which featured Shimano or Maeda Suntour. Schwinn did too, as the Paramount, the Super Sport, the Varsity, the Continental, and the 10 speed Suburban all continued to receive INFERIOR SECOND CLASS European rear derailleurs. Sadly, the Paramount was saddled with a POS Campagnolo rear derailleur, even well after it became apparent that Maeda SUNTOUR & Shimano units were far better.
Shimano & Maeda Suntour annihilated Campagnolo, Simplex & Huret in the rear derailleur category in very short order because compared to anything from Shimano or Suntour , virtually every Campy & Simplex rear derailleur was a POS, and while the Huret Allvit was the best overall European made rear derailleur, it still was second rate compared to any rear derailleur that Shimano or Suntour offered from 1968 onwards.
Yes, the Japanese copied & comingled the best of the existing European designs and further refined them. Japanese engineering and quality control took rear derailleurs to a level that had never existed before. The Japanese have never relinquished their command of engineering excellence and innovation, as no European manufacturer ever came close again, regardless of what significant advances that those historic European manufacturers had achieved in the four decades prior to 1965.
Yes, Shimano & Maeda SUNTOUR rear derailleurs were that much better than anything CAMPY, SIMPLEX & HURET had to offer.
You are an idiot if you think that you can get the operational quality from such a Campagnolo or Simplex rear derailleur.
It was simply a case of "IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM, YOU JOIN THEM" and public acceptance of the vastly superior Japanese rear derailleurs was swift and quick despite that many ordinary "common" $79 department store ten speeds came so equipped. Sad to say but for more than a few years, you had fine European marque 10 speeds that did cost five times as much as those $79 dept store bikes, yet they came factory equipped with rear derailleurs that weren't nearly the quality of the Japanese rear derailleurs that were on those $79 dept store bikes. There is no shame in getting rid of that OEM POS European made rear derailleur for a Maeda SUNTOUR unit . Folks were doing the exact same thing with their very expensive brand new bikes back in 1971. There is no reason to have a CRAPPY rear derailleur on your bicycle, even though you believe that it looks cool and it has that Italian heritage and mystique despite it being second rate junk compared to SUNTOUR or Shimano units.
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Originally Posted by Vintage Schwinn
There is no reason to have a CRAPPY rear derailleur on your bicycle, even though you believe that it looks cool and it has that Italian heritage and mystique despite it being second rate junk compared to SUNTOUR or Shimano units.
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Originally Posted by Vintage Schwinn
The Huret Allvit is your only decent European choice to get the job done! Campy might look cool but you'd be a fool to choose something so bad!
Japanese is the only avenue that you have for practical superior operation & reliabilty.... no reason to have a CRAPPY rear derailleur on your bicycle, even though you believe that it looks cool and it has that Italian heritage and mystique despite it being second rate junk compared to SUNTOUR or Shimano units.
Japanese is the only avenue that you have for practical superior operation & reliabilty.... no reason to have a CRAPPY rear derailleur on your bicycle, even though you believe that it looks cool and it has that Italian heritage and mystique despite it being second rate junk compared to SUNTOUR or Shimano units.
...that's some rant. Obviously, you've been thinking about this for a while.
To the OP, you can search Charles' Disraeli Gears site by decade. That's probably your best bet. I have a Carlton Catalina from the mid 60's with an Allvit rear derailleur, but there's the whole deal with the rear derailleur stop in different places between Huret and the now more universally accepted Campagnolo stop. Might be a problem if your frame has an integral hanger on the dropout. For most of the stuff I've restored or reworked earlier than the 70's, I usually bite the bullet, and go with a 14-26 freewheel. That's about all the rear derailleurs of the period could shift reliably, smoothly. Sometimes it turns out to be 14-24. that's just where gearing and shifting was, back in the 60's.
I'm not going to get into some long thing about Campagnolo derailleurs being junk, or just misunderstood. I forget who said they don't shift as well as Suntour's design, but they do it repeatedly, and for a long time. There are tricks you can use to make them shift much better than they did in the 60's and 70's, because we have indexed derailleur cable housing now. If you use a NR rear derailleur, throw away the shiny coil wound stainless steel housing, and go with indexed housing. Also, there are now DT shifters made and sold with ratcheting mechanisms that give you more control than the old stock Campy friction shifters.
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...I just remembered that the Simplex Prestige from the 1960s would work on a 28 tooth cog in the rear. But unless you're using a frame with a Simplex dropout, it might be more trouble than it's worth to fit one. Besides, people routinely cast aspersions on them, because of the Delrin. Even though the rear in many years had a lot of metal framing to it. I have one I fitted to a 50's Follis, and it works fine. But I went with a smaller rear large cog than 28 teeth.
...I just remembered that the Simplex Prestige from the 1960s would work on a 28 tooth cog in the rear. But unless you're using a frame with a Simplex dropout, it might be more trouble than it's worth to fit one. Besides, people routinely cast aspersions on them, because of the Delrin. Even though the rear in many years had a lot of metal framing to it. I have one I fitted to a 50's Follis, and it works fine. But I went with a smaller rear large cog than 28 teeth.
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I could not get a Simplex Criterium to work on a Campagnolo dropout. I think those did not come out until the late 60's, and they don't have the range anyway.
I am using a Huret Svelto on my '62 Jack Taylor. It was either that or a Campagnolo Record, but the lowly Svelto left the Record in the dust. I tell myself that it's an early steel version of the Jubilee. It easily shifts the 13-26 Suntour FW with 32-48 TA chainrings. The period Huret FD works great too. As an added bonus you'll also have a good excuse to use those humongous shift levers.
I am using a Huret Svelto on my '62 Jack Taylor. It was either that or a Campagnolo Record, but the lowly Svelto left the Record in the dust. I tell myself that it's an early steel version of the Jubilee. It easily shifts the 13-26 Suntour FW with 32-48 TA chainrings. The period Huret FD works great too. As an added bonus you'll also have a good excuse to use those humongous shift levers.
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You'll also need a crankset that'll handle the smaller chainring. The period goto would be a TA Spécialités Touriste, which can take a 28t chainring if necessary.
11-04-22, 01:53 AM
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I think if only the best performance was what we are looking for we would not ride with classic bikes from 60’s… so just go with what you think is coolest. I chose to go the campa rout, and its not an issue for me if its shifts slightly worse than the japanese…
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Originally Posted by Brad L
You'll also need a crankset that'll handle the smaller chainring. The period goto would be a TA Spécialités Touriste, which can take a 28t chainring if necessary.
But I just discovered TA are still making chainrings for Pro 5 Vis (Cyclotouriste): https://www.veloduo.co.uk/products/n...gs-inner-outer
Which seem to fit a Stronglight 49D too.
Edit:
Apparently BITD a common option was Stronglight 49D + TA chainrings
And it seems modern TA chainrings have the tooth cut centrally (ie cut on both sides) and work better on modern derailleurs.
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Originally Posted by tcs
In the 1960s the Allvit was used on Varsities...and Singers and Herses.
As for long cage on NR, Soma (used to?) sell long cages that Bob Freeman over on CR designed. Not sure they still do, as Google found it in the archive section of their site:
https://www.somafab.com/archives/pro...ur-cage-plates
If you want to go that route, I'm sure you can find a pair on eBay, possibly already attached to a derailleur. I bought a pair from Bob early on, used them for awhile, then moved them on.
If'n it was me, I would scan the SunTour section of Disraeli Gears and try and find an age appropriate slant parallelogram derailleur. (I think they first came out around 1964.) Just to be different.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
If'n it was me, I would scan the SunTour section of Disraeli Gears and try and find an age appropriate slant parallelogram derailleur. (I think they first came out around 1964.) Just to be different.
Unfortunately the early SunTours are cog 24 / wrap 24 starting with the Gran=Prix in 1964 (https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...erailleur.html)
The first GT is around 1970 - V GT (https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...2nd_style.html)
Although a Skitter might work (1963/1965) https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...erailleur.html
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
The first GT is around 1970 - V GT (https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...2nd_style.html)
Although a Skitter might work (1963/1965) https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...erailleur.html
Although a Skitter might work (1963/1965) https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...erailleur.html
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I have a Campy NR derailleur set up on my Motobecane with a 52/40 chainring and a 28 tooth cog low on the rear. The bike shifts flawlessly and I have put many miles on it with this set up. I am going to change over to even lower gearing with the same chain ring set up so I’m going with a Cyclone RD first generation long cage. I really like the SunTour derailleurs but not because the Campagnolo is a POS as was stated. It is just limited to a different application.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
That cheapo Schwinn connection (Varsinental) is what gives the Allvit its bad rap here in the states. ...(snip)
I despise them. Probably have 2 or 3 in the (derailleurs I doubt I'd ever put on a bike) bin. Author can have one for shipping if he wishes.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Weighing about the same as a gallon of milk didn't help either.
I despise them. Probably have 2 or 3 in the (derailleurs I doubt I'd ever put on a bike) bin. Author can have one for shipping if he wishes.
I despise them. Probably have 2 or 3 in the (derailleurs I doubt I'd ever put on a bike) bin. Author can have one for shipping if he wishes.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
Can anybody suggest a 60s derailleur that would work ?
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Hiya folks,
I'm planning a new project; early 60's Holdsworth Cyclone or Monsoon (but I haven't got a frame yet).
I'm either going to build it period (ish) or swap in some functional later parts (1980 max).
But I'm stuck on which period derailleur would work.
I'm thinking 5 speed 14-28 + 52/36 for the gears which gives max cog 28 / wrap 30
For 80s I would pick SunTour Cyclone GT Mk 1 + SunTour Power Shifters
I've looked at Campy Gran Sport or Record and it looks like they can't handle cog 28 / wrap 30.
Can anybody suggest a 60s derailleur that would work ?
I'm planning a new project; early 60's Holdsworth Cyclone or Monsoon (but I haven't got a frame yet).
I'm either going to build it period (ish) or swap in some functional later parts (1980 max).
But I'm stuck on which period derailleur would work.
I'm thinking 5 speed 14-28 + 52/36 for the gears which gives max cog 28 / wrap 30
For 80s I would pick SunTour Cyclone GT Mk 1 + SunTour Power Shifters
I've looked at Campy Gran Sport or Record and it looks like they can't handle cog 28 / wrap 30.
Can anybody suggest a 60s derailleur that would work ?
The Campagnolos of the day were intended for road-racing corncobs and pretty narrow spreads between the front rings. Think 14-18 through 14-23. An exception is the Campy Gran Turismo which has a pretty darn long cage. Low reputation but I don't know if that is because of weight or function.
"The Dancing Chain" should offer some decent guidance.
