I have feelings about the "Hand-Hammered" look in fenders and other things
11-09-22, 09:56 PM
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Fenders are funny. A bike will look good without fenders, put the right set of fenders on correctly and it looks better, then take the fenders off and the bike looks weird. Anyway, I don’t feel strongly either way on if they’ve been hammered on or not.
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My cousin owned a machine shop for quite a while, specializing in custom metalwork for rich folks. Massive fireplace fronts, custom timber joinery, etc. Typically he'd fab the parts using modern tools, run them through the power hammer machine for that look, then assemble. Good money.
His power hammer was something from the 40's. Dangerous as heck, super cool. WHAM WHAM WHAM. Keep your hands clear!
I take my fenders smooth, but that's just me.
His power hammer was something from the 40's. Dangerous as heck, super cool. WHAM WHAM WHAM. Keep your hands clear!
I take my fenders smooth, but that's just me.
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11-09-22, 11:20 PM
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Quote:
Cudak888 wrote:
"Perhaps refer to exhibit A above before posting - perhaps it'll help to craft the thread in a more productive manner, eh?"
wow Kurt, I already gave a public apology.
Got a HAIR SHIRT you want me to wear???*
*needs another MOJITO served un a copper hammered mug.
Cudak888 wrote:
"Perhaps refer to exhibit A above before posting - perhaps it'll help to craft the thread in a more productive manner, eh?"
wow Kurt, I already gave a public apology.
Got a HAIR SHIRT you want me to wear???*
*needs another MOJITO served un a copper hammered mug.
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I have a theory that @Robvolz just likes to rant. I'm picturing Andy Rooney after a bottle of wine. I could be wrong.
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@Robvolz, no real harm done, imo. I cracked a beer to your mojito. Cheers.
I just bristle a little bit at the romanticizing of a lot of this stuff. Metal work is hard, dirty, and dangerous. I did it for years - sheet metal fab, wire fab, high-volume welding. I appreciate high skill as much as anybody, but I understand exactly why when a machine is chosen over hand forming. And the complaint threads would cue like clockwork if people had to pay for that when they wanted some fenders.
I just bristle a little bit at the romanticizing of a lot of this stuff. Metal work is hard, dirty, and dangerous. I did it for years - sheet metal fab, wire fab, high-volume welding. I appreciate high skill as much as anybody, but I understand exactly why when a machine is chosen over hand forming. And the complaint threads would cue like clockwork if people had to pay for that when they wanted some fenders.
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11-10-22, 07:39 AM
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I see all these expensive fenders rocking the hammered look.
Back in the 30s, during the industrial age, companies would put a machine stamped shell over an item and announce that its better than the previous model. Picture the sunbeam toaster as seen in every pop tart and Eggo Waffles ad, the sunbeam T-9, who's logo on the side represents a sail, the 1939 NY world's fair logo, "Sailing into the FUTURE"
The previous toasters were just as effective and toasting bread. But the marketing departments had a heyday convincing everyone that streamline and machine made was better.
The craftspeople said," this is Bull schitt". and as a way to differentiate themselves and their product was to hand-hammer so you knew the product, whether it be a bowl, a light fixture or fenders were hand crafted by people, not machines.
Now, a stamping machine creates the HH look. And no one seems to care what it represented at one time.
Rant over.
Don't get me started on the HH look but actual plastic. GRRRRRRR
Back in the 30s, during the industrial age, companies would put a machine stamped shell over an item and announce that its better than the previous model. Picture the sunbeam toaster as seen in every pop tart and Eggo Waffles ad, the sunbeam T-9, who's logo on the side represents a sail, the 1939 NY world's fair logo, "Sailing into the FUTURE"
The previous toasters were just as effective and toasting bread. But the marketing departments had a heyday convincing everyone that streamline and machine made was better.
The craftspeople said," this is Bull schitt". and as a way to differentiate themselves and their product was to hand-hammer so you knew the product, whether it be a bowl, a light fixture or fenders were hand crafted by people, not machines.
Now, a stamping machine creates the HH look. And no one seems to care what it represented at one time.
Rant over.
Don't get me started on the HH look but actual plastic. GRRRRRRR
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I've got hammered on a couple bikes, and faceted on my main ride PX-10. I prefer the look of the faceted (and the 'plain'), but the hammered age better- they hide the inevitable scratches and little dents better.
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Notice the smiling faces. Alright, @rccardr looks a bit grumpy.
Neither the fenders nor the rain/cold made me grumpy. Actually enjoyed the multiple lessons in Rain Fu.
It was...that other thing.
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I have a theory that @Robvolz just likes to rant. I'm picturing Andy Rooney after a bottle of wine. I could be wrong.
at least Andy Rooney was entertaining..and most often had a point.
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I have a theory that @Robvolz just likes to rant. I'm picturing Andy Rooney after a bottle of wine. I could be wrong.
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
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That's fine, if that's how you want to handle it, but I didn't mean my Andy Rooney comparison as a negative. Some personality types just don't come across as well in text as others. I've never met Rob, which is why I said "I could be wrong," but I think I'm slowly starting to develop a sense for who he is through his posts. He came onto this forum recently and came out swinging for the fences. Some people here didn't receive it well (myself among them, to be honest). If we had known him for years, maybe those posts would have read differently. Some people you never end up liking, but at least you can say to yourself, "Yeah, that's just the way they are."
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
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Notice the smiling faces. Alright, @rccardr looks a bit grumpy.
Neither the fenders nor the rain/cold made me grumpy. Actually enjoyed the multiple lessons in Rain Fu.
It was...that other thing.
Oh , and not grumpy , just focused!
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The benefit of the hammered look (even if it's machined) is the dents and scratches don't show as much as on a polished surface.
I have my eyes out for one of these '30s Olds trumpets, where the bells are actually hand hammered.
Olds Military Trumpet via Robb Stewart
I have my eyes out for one of these '30s Olds trumpets, where the bells are actually hand hammered.
Olds Military Trumpet via Robb Stewart
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11-10-22, 10:04 AM
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Design school did a good job making me feel strongly about things that don't really matter that much. You get personally offended by bad typography and things that are designed by committee or whatever, but it wears off and you realize Comic Sans is legible enough for a quick memo and life goes on.
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That's fine, if that's how you want to handle it, but I didn't mean my Andy Rooney comparison as a negative. Some personality types just don't come across as well in text as others. I've never met Rob, which is why I said "I could be wrong," but I think I'm slowly starting to develop a sense for who he is through his posts. He came onto this forum recently and came out swinging for the fences. Some people here didn't receive it well (myself among them, to be honest). If we had known him for years, maybe those posts would have read differently. Some people you never end up liking, but at least you can say to yourself, "Yeah, that's just the way they are."
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
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That's fine, if that's how you want to handle it, but I didn't mean my Andy Rooney comparison as a negative. Some personality types just don't come across as well in text as others. I've never met Rob, which is why I said "I could be wrong," but I think I'm slowly starting to develop a sense for who he is through his posts. He came onto this forum recently and came out swinging for the fences. Some people here didn't receive it well (myself among them, to be honest). If we had known him for years, maybe those posts would have read differently. Some people you never end up liking, but at least you can say to yourself, "Yeah, that's just the way they are."
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
FWIW, I found the original post here to be an interesting take. For those who didn't, here's a picture of my bike with snakeskin aluminum fenders.
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Design school did a good job making me feel strongly about things that don't really matter that much. You get personally offended by bad typography and things that are designed by committee or whatever, but it wears off and you realize Comic Sans is legible enough for a quick memo and life goes on.
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Design school did a good job making me feel strongly about things that don't really matter that much. You get personally offended by bad typography and things that are designed by committee or whatever, but it wears off and you realize Comic Sans is legible enough for a quick memo and life goes on.
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I was also trained as an industrial designer, but not as swanky as RISD. So my question is this, is my perception of RISD design history as swanky wrong, or were you a poor student? You are correct there was a movement, the arts & crafts movement, was a reaction to the industrial revolution. But it began in 1860, not 1930. That was called streamline.
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