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Who Still Makes Lugged Steel Frames & Forks?

Old 11-29-22, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat
Once bikes started getting vertical dropouts, the hubs could also change, and no longer required the brute force to stay in place. The hubs then started using lightweight components/designs. The vertical dropout is where I draw the line between classic and modern when it comes to lugged steel bikes. Not much else has changed.
Generally speaking you are correct. Vertical dropouts, however, have been around for quite some time. I have a 1948 Peugeot PH-60 with them.


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My 1979 Centurion Pro Tour has them as well.

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Very very nice, does it have a build thread?
I've come across the same brake bridge limitations on my PX10 and decided to split the rear mudguard, not as slick as yours but it fits better and works great.
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Originally Posted by Schlafen
Very very nice, does it have a build thread?
I've come across the same brake bridge limitations on my PX10 and decided to split the rear mudguard, not as slick as yours but it fits better and works great.
I hadnít looked at the build thread for years. It was a nice trip down memory lane. Here it is: Extreme Makeover: Motobecane Grand Record Edition
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
I hadnít looked at the build thread for years. It was a nice trip down memory lane. Here it is: Extreme Makeover: Motobecane Grand Record Edition
link doesn't work for me, tried searching for it, found it but still not working
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Originally Posted by Schlafen
link doesn't work for me, tried searching for it, found it but still not working
It worked for me. It contains an @Andy_K quote that I feel like I’ve seen elsewhere: “I wasn’t even in the market for another bike when I found this.”
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Originally Posted by nlerner
It worked for me. It contains an @Andy_K quote that I feel like Iíve seen elsewhere: ďI wasnít even in the market for another bike when I found this.Ē
I do seem to say that a lot, donít I? Maybe I should add it to my signature.
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Originally Posted by Schlafen
link doesn't work for me, tried searching for it, found it but still not working
Did you get some error about an uninitialized variable? Iíve seen that a couple of times recently, but it doesnít happen for me with that link.
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Old 11-30-22, 10:39 AM
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This option finally registered in my feeble brain - it is possible to bring an existing vintage frame up to date with braze-ons.

You have to re-paint the frame but you can get all the bits and doodads you want (shifter and water bottle bosses, cable ends and guides, rack mounts,...).

This is a half-way new option. I'm not sure of the cost but it does make an old frame more "custom".
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I've been wanting a Rivendell but lately have been thinking about having a Chapman built. www.chapmancycles.com
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Originally Posted by nlerner

This, bought one this year.
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At the mall (wow, when was the last time?) this evening for the holiday musical performance of a family member and stumbled across a made-in-USA* lugged steel Shinola Runwell.

https://www.shinola.com/mens/men-s-c...l-bicycle.html

A 'net search indicates a kidney transplant will run ~$500,000, so yes, doesn't cost a kidney.



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I had a lot of fun looking over those MERCIAN cycles.

I suppose they are about as close to a Bob Jackson as one can get these days. It is ironic that a guy, a company, with a good, reliable product cannot make a long-term go of it. It is almost as if artisans need patrons or benefactors to survive.
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Old 12-20-22, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by m.c.
I've been wanting a Rivendell but lately have been thinking about having a Chapman built. www.chapmancycles.com
This is apples and oranges, Chapman is the real deal, Rivendell while very nice is still a production frame, a spendy one to be sure.

Ifn you think you want a Chapman, get to it, the sooner the better.
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Old 12-20-22, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jnbrown

This, bought one this year.
Am I the only one that finds it amazing they still make all those various models, finished in all those outstanding color schemes?

A true KOF, Mercian is the only Brit builder I'd ever add to my collection.

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Old 12-20-22, 09:49 AM
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Two days ago I had the opportunity to visit one of the few Dutch framebuilders, Marten Gerritsen, whose shop goes by the name of 'm-gineering'. He had invited the members of the Dutch Oude Fiets forum for his yearly do: Tubes & Coffee. A casual get-together with bikes and bike enthusiasts. A French Fender Day Kiel-Windeweer style.

M-gineering started out as an engineering firm, and some of the older projects clearly show those roots:



These days it is importing high-end parts and building frames. Marten builds all sorts of bikes, and his aesthetics are all over the place, but he does do classic as well, with lugs and horizontal top tubes :





I rather like this one. Copper-plated frame, built for the 2009 European Hand-built Bicycle Exhibition:



More pictures of his work can be found in the gallery on his website.

There were also French fenders to be seen, BTW. On this Barra, for instance:



And on this wonderful Jo Routens:

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Originally Posted by m.c.
I've been wanting a Rivendell but lately have been thinking about having a Chapman built. www.chapmancycles.com
follow chapman on instagram and it is amazing the detail put in fun to watch.

me I am more a kirk kinda guy Kirk Frameworks | Custom Bicycles
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag
This option finally registered in my feeble brain - it is possible to bring an existing vintage frame up to date with braze-ons.

You have to re-paint the frame but you can get all the bits and doodads you want (shifter and water bottle bosses, cable ends and guides, rack mounts,...).

This is a half-way new option. I'm not sure of the cost but it does make an old frame more "custom".
A full complement of braze-ons on a frame that doesn't have them would be under $200 - at least that would be my budgetary quote for someone interested. Powder coat can be had for under $200. Shipping back and forth if you don't have someone local to do it for you would be under $100. It does add up, so you'd have to get the frame for cheap. I look for ratty ones with good bones.
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Originally Posted by gugie
A full complement of braze-ons on a frame that doesn't have them would be under $200 - at least that would be my budgetary quote for someone interested. Powder coat can be had for under $200. Shipping back and forth if you don't have someone local to do it for you would be under $100. It does add up, so you'd have to get the frame for cheap. I look for ratty ones with good bones.
I ride ratty ones with good bones!
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Originally Posted by tcs
At the mall (wow, when was the last time?) this evening for the holiday musical performance of a family member and stumbled across a made-in-USA* lugged steel Shinola Runwell.

https://www.shinola.com/mens/men-s-c...l-bicycle.html

A 'net search indicates a kidney transplant will run ~$500,000, so yes, doesn't cost a kidney.



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Probably get a kidney cheaper if you use medical tourism.

Maybe one stolen from Uigers or Shining Path concentration camp.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Two days ago I had the opportunity to visit one of the few Dutch framebuilders, Marten Gerritsen, whose shop goes by the name of 'm-gineering'. He had invited the members of the Dutch Oude Fiets forum for his yearly do: Tubes & Coffee. A casual get-together with bikes and bike enthusiasts. A French Fender Day Kiel-Windeweer style.

M-gineering started out as an engineering firm, and some of the older projects clearly show those roots:

These days it is importing high-end parts and building frames. Marten builds all sorts of bikes, and his aesthetics are all over the place, but he does do classic as well, with lugs and horizontal top tubes :


Marten and I are buddies. Iíve visited his shop several times on a stopover to Ukraine. He lives in the coolest village with a canal running down the middle.

The bike in the front was painted as a learning project at my shop in Niles Michigan. He spent a week with me after which he attended NAHBS. The main color is a gray silver pearl and the panels a candy red.

He has a Johnny Berry made-in-Manchester frame. In 1975, I took a lot of Johnnyís frame making tools home after he passed away. I and my students use some of them to this very day.
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Cinelli has been making the lugged Super Corsa for 72 years now.
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Cinelli has been making the lugged Super Corsa for 72 years now.
Wow. Damn long time. Happy to be a tiny part of that history.
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