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Old 12-17-22, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
weird, that's what that is: never seen anything like that done on any BB shell before, but there IS a serial number, just too filled in (with re-paint) and too fuzzy a pic to read it...but kind of unlikely to be a home-brew frame with so many digits.
The also-too-fuzzy pic of the headlugs looks like those MIGHT be Japanese lugs that look "inspired" by the Prugnat type 62D but then again they might be genuine Prugnats (need a sharper pic).
Strange that this has zero braze-ons, not even shifter bosses, but forkcrown looks to be from a more recent vintage (recessed brakebolt? maybe: cannot tell)
Please ask "friend" to go back and take more, and better, pix.
Can anyone get anything out of it now?
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Old 12-17-22, 01:54 PM
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CR??0012 - maybe.
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This thread is exactly why I come to BF. No disrespect to OP, but I think I'll legit be a little sad once the answer on the bike is found.
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I would guess factory holes in that BB. It would be nearly impossible to do such a job on a drill press on that rounded surface. A more skilled machinist with fancier equipment could,, but why bother?
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I think that Unworthy1's guess of Malvern Star is pretty good
for the record: that was NOT my guess. I just was referencing all the "six-pointed stars on bicycles" I could remember.
I don't think this is a Malvern Star frame, but who knows? It just might be!
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Originally Posted by sd5782
I would guess factory holes in that BB. It would be nearly impossible to do such a job on a drill press on that rounded surface. A more skilled machinist with fancier equipment could,, but why bother?
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Well. since this thread has pretty much derailed already......

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................... "torino" in Spanish means "I pee on you" (informal)
My folks had a '68 Ford "Torino" Squire station wagon when I was in high school. It had wood grain sides, chrome roof rack, hubcaps, whitewalls (studded snow tires in the Winter) and JC Whitney fog lamps. Vey uncool......... I hated that car with a passion and always felt like I'd been peed on a little when I drove it, now I understand why. Not the actual "pee wagon" but one just like it sans the fog lamps:

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Does have Campagnolo dropouts and I did get a serial number but I forgot it already. I will update with it when I go back tomorrow.

Also the seat post clamp looks exactly like this.
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Originally Posted by grant40
Does have Campagnolo dropouts and I did get a serial number but I forgot it already. I will update with it when I go back tomorrow.

Also the seat post clamp looks exactly like this.
If it's an exact match, that seat cluster is both unusual and therefore bound to be a good clue (for somebody). Like these BB shell "dimples" I have not seen the like of it, before.
I'm sure a serial number could be a big step forward in solving the mystery...
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Originally Posted by Murray Missile
Well. since this thread has pretty much derailed already......



My folks had a '68 Ford "Torino" Squire station wagon when I was in high school. It had wood grain sides, chrome roof rack, hubcaps, whitewalls (studded snow tires in the Winter) and JC Whitney fog lamps. Vey uncool......... I hated that car with a passion and always felt like I'd been peed on a little when I drove it, now I understand why. Not the actual "pee wagon" but one just like it sans the fog lamps:

While I learned to drive in a Falcon squire, later we had a yellow two door Torino in the family when my brother and I were in HS in that era. I took my driver's test in it. It was second family car, but my dad let my brother buy "Mag wheels" for it (Fenton, ~$25 each at Target IIRC, they weren't Kragar which were the good ones) and we put orange helper coil springs on the rear shocks ourselves which jacked it up a couple of inches. To top it off, if IIRC, the standard Goodyear whitewall Polyglass tires might have even had raised lettering on the other side giving us a free "upgrade" when the tires were remounted. That could be a dream. Regardless, the suburban mom's car became a sluggish sporty looking car. What fun for about $100 invested (wheels and shocks split 50/50). It certainly wasn't a Mopar hemi or whatever Ford marketed in that category. Chick Magnet? Eh, it didn't work for me, although my girlfriend's little brother thought it was pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
Also fact: "torino" in Spanish means "I pee on you" (informal)
This is the first time I've ever heard that, and no amount of searching online seems to correlate it. Is this specific to a certain regional Spanish dialect? Do tell.

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I hated that car with a passion and always felt like I'd been peed on a little when I drove it
The '68 predated Ford's swapover to the GM/Saganaw power steering box in '72, but just be glad you didn't have to deal with a Chrysler PS box. Those things give new meaning to overboosted, plus they feel 200k-sloppy at 20k.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
This is the first time I've ever heard that, and no amount of searching online seems to correlate it. Is this specific to a certain regional Spanish dialect? Do tell.
-Kurt
It's kind of a Spanish dad joke... look up "te orino", and then slur your words just a bit so it sounds like Torino.
I first heard it in Puerto Rico, but other friends had either heard it before or understood the joke right away.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
If it's an exact match, that seat cluster is both unusual and therefore bound to be a good clue (for somebody). Like these BB shell "dimples" I have not seen the like of it, before.
I'm sure a serial number could be a big step forward in solving the mystery...
The seat post clamp is an exact match and the lugs on the red bike are made by the same brand (Prugnat), but different style. The red bike is a J. W. Moore.
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The problem is that the red bike has Built-in bosses for the cables and the shifters. The blue and white bike does not have any types of bosses. Also the lugs are a different style on both bikes but they are both made by Prugnat.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
It's kind of a Spanish dad joke... look up "te orino", and then slur your words just a bit so it sounds like Torino.
I first heard it in Puerto Rico, but other friends had either heard it before or understood the joke right away.
Now I get it. A bit of a stretch without just the right pronunciation.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
The '68 predated Ford's swapover to the GM/Saganaw power steering box in '72, but just be glad you didn't have to deal with a Chrysler PS box. Those things give new meaning to overboosted, plus they feel 200k-sloppy at 20k.

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I've experienced them all. Our Driver's Ed car was a Plymouth Fury station wagon and I've owned a few MoPars and FoMoCo products over the years.

When I first got my license the folks had a '60 Impala 4 Dr. with a 348 4 bbl. and dual glass packs, even though it was a 4 Dr. it was still kinda cool. They traded it in on the Torino which when they told me we were getting a Torino I was super excited then I cone home from school to see THAT sitting in the driveway. talk about a disappointment! Here's the old Impala....... it had load levelers on the back which jacked it up a little so it had that going for it LOL.

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The serial number is GBR0012 or something close to it. The B and the R are not super certain, but the rest of it is perfectly clear.

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This thread encapsulates everything I love about C&V.
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in relation to the torino informal meaning I understood chevy had problems selling the Nova (No Va) in spanish speaking countries.

and in keeping with total derailement the worlds worst car was a ford mustang II Steering.....vague at it's best, brakes, you look at them you are locked and skidding, binary on/off and clutch needed 2 men and large animal to push.
only car I every drove below the speed limit on hiway 17 to santa cruz

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Fastback seatstays thread.

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thanks for that "fastback seat cluster" review thread, Seypat. Shame that so many pix have vanished but many were because of Photobucket going belly-up.
I don't see one that matches the "J.W. Moore" example, exactly nor do i know anything about J.W. so please fill us in.
Is that detail of the steel bit a "chain stay hanger"?
I remember something like that being sold as an after-market accessory, but don't see any pic of the blue frame that shows that in any location.
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