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Huffy + Campagnolo Super Record = The Ultimate C&V Sacrilege build

Old 04-01-23, 01:26 AM
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yaaaay Campy stuff




This side is almost impossible turn when it gets tight...which it did





Something is not right...




Don't worry, it looks worse in person


Wow, so...ouch.



Time to fine that tap and die and get crackin.


EDIT: lol I'm hosed


This is just ONE side and still doesn't include the tool



EDIT EDIT: Screw that - let me call some bike shops around the area and see if they have the tools and can chase some threads.

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Okay so that all sucked, but here is the good part of the night...this thing came out freaking sweet.









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It almost looks fake. But no, it's real, and it is the visual representation of nearly dozens of hours of my life sucked away through a black hole, all for something that will be staring at the ground it's whole life. Woot!

*shakes fist* Just you wait, retrogrouches! Campagnolo is going on this bike ASAP! I just need to start a gofundme first for the out-of-control, runaway costs.

Okay, its 1:30am, I sort of destroyed stuff, now I go to bed

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AMCO,
You looking for these?

You can send me the parts and I will chase the threads for you. Smiles, MH
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Time to make one of Merzacís bottom bracket thread chasers: old cup, notches cut perpendicular to threads. Usually for DS, but might work here.

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Something to consider is that the BB threads would be best aligned if tapped/chased with the adapter in the frame. Nobody doing the job has to know what brand of English cups are going to be used. Just lie to save yourself being mercilessly disparaged and/or ridiculed.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk View Post
AMCO,
You looking for these?

You can send me the parts and I will chase the threads for you. Smiles, MH

YESSSSSS!!!!! That is what I need! Can you PM me your address? I'll send you mine as well.

It may be more difficult to chase since the threads are not stationary in a frame so you'd have to find some way to hold them, but it is alloy, which should be a lot easier on the tool at least. It may also be easier to chase from the back to the front since that is where the non-buggered threads are. This is gonna be a life saver.

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Something to consider is that the BB threads would be best aligned if tapped/chased with the adapter in the frame. Nobody doing the job has to know what brand of English cups are going to be used. Just lie to save yourself being mercilessly disparaged and/or ridiculed.
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Time to make one of Merzacís bottom bracket thread chasers: old cup, notches cut parallel to threads. Usually for DS, but might work here.

I agree that it would be best practice to do it while in the frame. Mad Honk any thoughts on this? We do have a shop here that I can call that caters to C&V. I can tell them that I have a, ahem, vintage bicycle and am trying to get Campy BB cups to work but the BB threads just need some attention and see if they'll have mercy on me? If I do show up with the frame, however, I might have to have it (and me too, for that matter) decked out like this:




At this point we might have to be okay with 'mediocre practice' and do it out of the frame haha. The other thing is that once the event on June 3-4 passes, we'll have more time to take things apart and get things completely right. I suppose a shakedown ride of 66 miles isn't the smartest thing to do, but we gotta go get it on.

I'm curious about the idea of making one from an old BB cup. I like the idea, but since the one side is already damaged, I'm wondering if we might really be served best by the legit tool. However, I bet for most purposes that homemade tool would work just fine.
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Use a real tool. You want to make sure the threads are as close as they can be to what they should look like. Donít want to distort them beyond what they are.

Edit: So you really are an Aints fan!?

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The cup threads can be chased from the back and is preferable to do it that way. The VAR tools have always served me well in that regard. If the threads are damaged beyond repair, there is always the option of using the reaming bit and starting fresh with by enlarging the cups to Italian threading. Not always the best option but it can be done. I'm hoping that chasing the threads will work, and if necessary I can use a pair of cups from my stash here and install them which would mean putting the left and right side pieces in with the Campy cups installed in the OMAS filler. I can get a donor bike at the Co-Op if I need to have the cups installed when chasing but I would prefer to do it with the bench vise. Smiles, MH

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The cup threads can be chased from the back and is preferable to do it that way. The VAR tools have always served me well in that regard. If the threads are damaged beyond repair, there is always the option of using the reaming bit and starting fresh with by enlarging the cups to Italian threading. Not always the best option but it can be done. I'm hoping that chasing the threads will work, and if necessary I can use a pair of cups from my stash here and install them which would mean putting the left and right side pieces in with the Campy cups installed in the OMAS filler. I can get a donor bike at the Co-Op if I need to have the cups installed when chasing but I would prefer to do it with the bench vise. Smiles, MH

Just let me know what would be helpful. I think if the threads are chewed beyond repair, I'll try to locate another BB adapter. Really want this one to work since it was a donation from a member and it is Italian, so there's that. From the looks of it, I think it should be salvageable, but I can send to you and you can let me know what you think when you get it. Do you need/want me to send the 3 bolts that the adapter as well, or the Campy cups that will be living in it?

Thanks for your help with this. I missed the deadline for shipping out today, but per your response/preference, I will get it out by Monday.
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Originally Posted by stoneageyosh View Post
Use a real tool. You want to make sure the threads are as close as they can be to what they should look like. Donít want to distort them beyond what they are.

Edit: So you really are an Aints fan!?

I guess since I don't know what an Aints is, I suppose I'm not!
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Just let me know what would be helpful. I think if the threads are chewed beyond repair, I'll try to locate another BB adapter. Really want this one to work since it was a donation from a member and it is Italian, so there's that. From the looks of it, I think it should be salvageable, but I can send to you and you can let me know what you think when you get it. Do you need/want me to send the 3 bolts that the adapter as well, or the Campy cups that will be living in it?

Thanks for your help with this. I missed the deadline for shipping out today, but per your response/preference, I will get it out by Monday.
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AMCO, and all following this saga,
I have the VAR threading tools to do this work so it is not a big deal, just a minor set-back. I also have a repository of Campy parts that is likely close to what Othon brought in from Italy, so I will use a pair of BB cups from here and match the spindle length to get a good chain line for the Huffy. I also need to send the brake extender parts to AMCO so repairing the threads and getting the bottom bracket set up will be just my part of helping get this project on toward the finish line. The way I am seeing it, it is taking a village to create the final product. as always, Smiles, MH

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I guess since I don't know what an Aints is, I suppose I'm not!
Back in the day of Archie Manning, father of Peyton and Eli, when he was qb, and a good one, for the New Orleans Saints they were sooo bad that fans wore bags over their heads and referred to the team as the Aints because they ainít gonna win nothiní.


Edit: Realized you have a big enough burden as it is.
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Jdawgs,
Very funny! Can you play jingle bells with your impact gun like the guys in the NASCAR garages do? This one is gonna force me to do this the old fashioned way; By hand. MH

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Jdawgs,
Very funny! Can you play jingle bells with your impact gun like the guys in the NASCAR garages do? This one is gonna force me todo this the old fashioned way; By hand. MH
Iím lucky if I donít impact any important parts...of me, not the bikes.

Will work on my musicality with it though...
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On another note, MH and I were talking about your solution to kill a stem to extend the brakes in the front.

Why not a BMX seatpost in 22.2 in fluted red. It would allow moisture to escape too.

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On another note, MH and I were talking about your solution to kill a stem to extend the brakes in the front.

Why not a BMX seatpost in 22.2 in fluted red. It would allow moisture to escape too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19554777229...Bk9SR8LHh_fnYQ

Well, I picked up a junkyard Azuki frame that I was going to use for dropout repair practice for another messed up (but more highly regarded by nearly everyone here) bike project, and the bike came with a junk stem in it. I bet its frozen, but if I can unstick it, I'll have a free donor.

This build is a complete set of contradictory, nonsensical goals.

The build is high status...the bike will never be

The bike should be ultralight...but I'm starting with straight gauge gaspipe

I want it to use ultra high end parts...but use homemade stuff wherever I can

I want to build it on the cheap...but I have no budget


Nothing about any of this makes sense, but that is how it's supposed to be, so I guess we are true to the ethos. The original goal was 'hey I wonder what a throwaway bike would ride like with super high-end lightweight components?' I started it without anything else in mind. We've been flying by the seat of our pants on this one, and it has led us down some interesting roads. I've been willing to compromise on some of the original points, provided they meet some other esoteric, unreasonable goals somewhere else.

My hope is that when I ride the bike nearly a hundred miles in two day's time, I won't instantly want to take a chainsaw to it and rip in half. If not, then the bike will be a resounding success and will be further fine tuned. I supposed I'm a bit biased after getting this far, because I've never ridden a Huffy road bike prior to this, and most of my experience is around the mid-tier stuff (Ironman, vintage Trek, Peugeot, etc). And riding the Huffy in original trim just really wasn't that bad. So for most, if a simple wheelset and long-reach centerpull conversion can turn a bike from an unrideable piece of joke garbage to something that someone could actually enjoy, then I'm hoping the project can change some minds. Rest assured that I'm not going to pull any punches....if the bike turns out to be a huge steaming pile, I'm going to call it as such. But I have been pleasantly surprised. Other than some heavy components and some QC issues, the bike is actually a comfy nice riding bike. She's got good bones. I see a lot of potential. Not to mention the bike is fillet brazed...so, elite So far, you all have seen the deficiencies and the issues I've run into, and I'm hoping the component changes solve most of that. There are a few other speed bumps we've encountered, but nothing that crazy. Yeah its a bit ghetto, but let's be honest, the Raleigh I have (you know, the same Raleigh that people love to turn into Super Ultra Randaneurrisimos) was just as mediocre.

This is probably the funnest bike I've ever had. That same fun is available to you as well - at your local rolloff dumpster
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Well, I picked up a junkyard Azuki frame that I was going to use for dropout repair practice for another messed up (but more highly regarded by nearly everyone here) bike project, and the bike came with a junk stem in it. I bet its frozen, but if I can unstick it, I'll have a free donor.

This build is a complete set of contradictory, nonsensical goals.

The build is high status...the bike will never be

The bike should be ultralight...but I'm starting with straight gauge gaspipe

I want it to use ultra high end parts...but use homemade stuff wherever I can

I want to build it on the cheap...but I have no budget


Nothing about any of this makes sense, but that is how it's supposed to be, so I guess we are true to the ethos. The original goal was 'hey I wonder what a throwaway bike would ride like with super high-end lightweight components?' I started it without anything else in mind. We've been flying by the seat of our pants on this one, and it has led us down some interesting roads. I've been willing to compromise on some of the original points, provided they meet some other esoteric, unreasonable goals somewhere else.

My hope is that when I ride the bike nearly a hundred miles in two day's time, I won't instantly want to take a chainsaw to it and rip in half. If not, then the bike will be a resounding success and will be further fine tuned. I supposed I'm a bit biased after getting this far, because I've never ridden a Huffy road bike prior to this, and most of my experience is around the mid-tier stuff (Ironman, vintage Trek, Peugeot, etc). And riding the Huffy in original trim just really wasn't that bad. So for most, if a simple wheelset and long-reach centerpull conversion can turn a bike from an unrideable piece of joke garbage to something that someone could actually enjoy, then I'm hoping the project can change some minds. Rest assured that I'm not going to pull any punches....if the bike turns out to be a huge steaming pile, I'm going to call it as such. But I have been pleasantly surprised. Other than some heavy components and some QC issues, the bike is actually a comfy nice riding bike. She's got good bones. I see a lot of potential. Not to mention the bike is fillet brazed...so, elite So far, you all have seen the deficiencies and the issues I've run into, and I'm hoping the component changes solve most of that. There are a few other speed bumps we've encountered, but nothing that crazy. Yeah its a bit ghetto, but let's be honest, the Raleigh I have (you know, the same Raleigh that people love to turn into Super Ultra Randaneurrisimos) was just as mediocre.

This is probably the funnest bike I've ever had. That same fun is available to you as well - at your local rolloff dumpster
I have nightmares about the first bike I had...a silver or grey....Huffmeister.
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Ride report to follow soon.

Spoiler: Iím still alive.
I'm absolutely thrilled about all of this. Ride like the wind.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
I have nightmares about the first bike I had...a silver or grey....Huffmeister.
Well I'm having nightmares about the bike I have now...so I can share in that drama
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Well I'm having nightmares about the bike I have now...so I can share in that drama
Sounds as if a bit of C&V PTSD is beginning to occur. This thread has turned into a "Never Ending Story." Will there ever be a conclusion--- especially a satisfying one?
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