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Huffy + Campagnolo Super Record = The Ultimate C&V Sacrilege build

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Originally Posted by retswerb

Oh, well, now that's a different matter!

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There it is, right in smack dab in the middle of a feel good post re-assuring us Tiger would never let his "Sam" be a Second-best friend.


I am afraid Tiger may have a LeGrande case of the Huffyitus - it is a good thing the support group is in place
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Originally Posted by SoCaled
There it is, right in smack dab in the middle of a feel good post re-assuring us Tiger would never let his "Sam" be a Second-best friend.


I am afraid Tiger may have a LeGrande case of the Huffyitus - it is a good thing the support group is in place

Why, what ever are you talking about? That must not be from my computer!
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Why, what ever are you talking about? That must not be from my computer!
Are you disavowing any knowledge of or connection to this thread, Mr. Phelps? That is your real name is it not? Stand back as your computer will self destruct in five seconds!

You gotta be old for this one.
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Originally Posted by stoneageyosh
Are you disavowing any knowledge of or connection to this thread, Mr. Phelps? That is your real name is it not? Stand back as your computer will self destruct in five seconds!

You gotta be old for this one.
Dum dum dum dum duh duh...dum dum dum dum doh doh
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Maybe before this is all done and for sure afterwards, everyone connected to this thread will want to scrub or destroy their device or hard drive to eliminate any evidence of their collusion and collaboration in this nefarious activity to avoid becoming a pariah and maintain some semblance of respectability within the C&V community. That still may not be enough for some. . . . . .


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We are all set up for welding.

I spent the first half of the day cleaning the Le Grande HQ. I had to. It was really bad. This way, it will be much easier to finish out the build and have the space to make the rest of the parts and have a nice order and flow to the process.

I still have some cleaning of the saw top and the bench to do, but we are 85-90% there.




I also found some practice pieces so we'll try to dial the welder in before I just start blowing holes haha.



Also, I made an important and amazing discovery! Your garage gets totally clean when you just move everything out of it!...



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Originally Posted by cudak888
Wouldn't the MIG repairs be more than necessary?

There are bajillion bikes out there with seam-welded Ashtabula BB shells that hold up just fine with nothing more than the weld itself. Just because Huffy half-arsed this one doesn't mean that some Adventurous MIG welds from Colorado won't solve the problem for at least as long as the lifetime of everyone here in this thread*

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*provided they're not cold welds

As I mentioned, welding a seam will tend to re-size the ID of the shell unpredictably tighter. It can be ground out but then again, it's too tight for the cup already (why I suggested fitting a sizing insert before welding. Maybe just a same-sized (as the cup) disk of lathe-turned plywood could simulate the cup.

A grade of welding rod will have to be selected that hopefully won't embrittle the surrounding metal by unwanted "solution heat treatment" effects (carbon and alloying elements migrating in unfavorable ways). There has to be a reason why Huffy used brazing at the main triangle joints.

Welding the seam without any brazing material contaminating the weld is another challenge.

Welding is going to totally change the molecular structure of the affected area.

Hoping for the best with the welding skills at hand.
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Originally Posted by stoneageyosh
Are you disavowing any knowledge of or connection to this thread, Mr. Phelps? That is your real name is it not? Stand back as your computer will self destruct in five seconds!

You gotta be old for this one.
No, you don't have to be old. I'd still like to know what happened to Dan Briggs.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
No, you don't have to be old. I'd still like to know what happened to Dan Briggs.

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You're in the Miami area and you've never heard of something called a "Burn Notice"?
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My MIL's matching his and hers Huffy Sportsmans are united in prayer for a successful BB weld.

Note the difference in their chainrings.
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Major plot twist…



The welder ran out of wire on the spool during some quick practice. Not kidding.


But you may not believe what happened next…lol
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Yet another $300 expense for a spool of wire to move this project forward. Who knew how much cash could be thrown around to make this pig a bit more beautiful/rideable. The cost of lipstick has reached a new level. Smiles, MH
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He found a wire coat hanger.
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Originally Posted by Hondo6
You're in the Miami area and you've never heard of something called a "Burn Notice"?
Uh oh. You've unleashed the wrath of the Useless Trivia Brigade.

Burn Notice used the former Coconut Grove Convention Center as their studio. The rear exterior was sometimes mocked up as a location as well.

I snapped these pictures of the prop cars in the back of the Convention Center parking lot - probably around 2013 or so.













Pretty sure the Rambler had a Ford C4 or AOD rammed in it from out of a foxbody Mustang. Shifter handle was clearly fox.

Any other completely random side tangents in mind?

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Okay, 'tis a tale too tall to be a believin' for most of you, I recon, but here is how it actually went -

I got the garage cleaned, moved the welder in, moved the Le Grandioso in, and found some scrap to practice on...



I thought it could be a fun opportunity for the kids to try their hand at welding as well, so I let them have a go at it, w/ some close supervision (we also had two welding helmets, which helped).

So, after all that, and after I get some 'okay' (not great, but 'okay') beads going, I press the trigger, but the wire doesn't move. So I flip open the machine, and the wire is jammed. It looks like it slipped off of the two feed wheels (or at lease one of them) and was bunching up inside the machine where the feel line attaches. So I tried to straighten it, but there is no hope, no way that is going down the line to the welding gun, so I cut it and start with a fresh feed.

My son comes over to see what I'm up to, and seeing as how I'm holding the feed line and gun as straight as I can, I cannot observe the feed wheels moving the wire, so I ask him to just watch the wire to make sure it doesn't bunch up again in the welder.

So then he says to me, "Daddy it looks okay, but I think you are out of wire."

What!?

So I go over there, and here is what I see:



Lol...we're done for. We're all out and it's not even coming out of the front of the gun. Just another HUGE GIANT CONCRETE BRICK WALL in the way of this build. Plan A (co-worker) didn't work. Plan B (me welding) didn't work.


Was there even a Plan C?














Wait a sec.











Just moments before I realized we were all out of wire (literally by minutes), a UPS guy came by and dropped off some weird looking package. I met him right outside then set the package in the garage -




​​​​​​I remember him commenting saying he liked the hemet (welding helmet) my daughter was wearing, so it had to be right before. But who cares about a package? What even is it? I'm too degected, don't even want to think about it.




But just cause, got nothing better to do, right? But...wait...hold up...







YOU'RE FREAKING KIDDING ME.



Brazing supplies??? LOL I can't even believe it - I just start laughing.


NO WAY

I just felt like a thousand of those beautiful waterfalls you see in all the pictures suddenly wash over me, like I just took a thousand vials of whatever that stuff was that got Lance Armstrong's TdF awards removed, so I could pedal straight up Mt Everest, and just laugh the entire way up.


The Le Grande build just got a HUGE BOOST, like the cavalry came at just the right time, when the Alamo was about to be overtaken. I take it as a sign from above. We were never supposed to weld this bike.


Brazing it is, baby! I have a torch set. Heck, I even have a donor bike. So, donor bike practice it is!



Mind you, I've never brazed on a bicycle before. Copper pipe? Psshh, sure thing, no prob. A steel bicycle. Ehhh, no!




So this Type B flux stuff, I think you smear it on there, not too thin, not too thick. I know that gravity will want to move the material, so I better orient it right. Not really sure what to do for practice, I just try filleting a lug joint, just to see how the rod responds to the heat. I don't really know too much about the torch flame on there - neutral / slightly carbeurizing flame, right? Oxidizing bad? Who even knows what that looks like! I think if your torch is freaking out too much, you're gonna have probs.





Okay...okay! Gettin' a feel for it! I stuck that little patch of heat paste on the inside and ouside of the BB shell of this donor bike, just to see what might happen to the 'H' on the Huffy if I braze that close to it.

The results of the braze were fine, but results of the BB were not...



Not looking promising for saving the paint. Eeek...well, no other options, and no turning back. Whew...all or nothing, now or never...


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Now it is the Le Grande's turn.

Gulp.



Here we go!


Now, a couple of the tools of the trade for HVAC brazing work are rags (duh) and also this heat paste stuff, used for controlling where the heat goes. And this is the basic stuff, there is even fancier heat paste. I've heard extremely skeptical guys switch over after trying it on the service valves of A/C units and pulling it off and having the valves be still cool to the touch, which is just amazing.

So, knowing this, I load the Le Grande up. Wet rags and heat paste ever possible area I can think of, that is not immediately in the braze path.






That little open area is the only area we want scorched.



So I try to get the best flame that I can, and hit it. And here are the result...



wow...that looks horrible and gross...lol. But it does get better!




I attack it from both the inside and the outside. I had a bit of a problem w/ getting the shell hot enough. It was tough because I was really trying to be quick and heat things up fast, but I didn't want to use a gigantic flame and just burn everything up, so I was also trying to stay really localized, so that was a big challenge. But, I don't think I cooked it or anything, because there were moments where I was getting the bronze rod to melt...and a little molten ball would plop off, and then once the shell got hot enough, it would obviously melt into the shell and crevices. So just enough to get it to melt, but not enough to burn anything up really. But, I would have liked a little more heat, just to have it meld together a little better with that chainstay braze.

So yeah, it is a litlle ugly! Frame makers/builders/repairers, please judge me! I won't get better unless I hear the truth and practice more, so I welcome it. I think I overdid it on the amount of braze (its a little blobby), but we'll grind all that away...




The best part???





WE SAVED IT, FAM!!!



Grinding and repainting coming soon! And the patch to repaint is really small! I'm going to take it extremely carefully so we don't end up with any of that 'crinkling' nonsense, and while that is drying, I will begin on the headset and fork install. Booyah!


So, while yes I know today was a slllloooowwww day for the build, it was a magnificent day for the build that I would take backwards, upside down, and sideways all day long.


And...I like brazing. It's fun


I mean, I better, because there is more lurking in my future, and I'm not talking about the Le Grande
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Well, figured there is no time like the present (midnight, on Mother's Day) to work on the dumbest bike project ever.













Yes, yes, the sloppy braze you see on that DS chainstay is indeed the original Huffy's, and not yours truly. I just left it. All part of the Huffy 'charm'.


I totally get what Paul Brodie and others talk about when they talk about feathering the braze work and the fillets. You don't want to be hitting steel and undercut it. Real good learning lesson. I nicked it a couple of times, so I'll take it a little slower next time (oh my...next time? Let's hope not!)
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I continue to be impressed with your skills…

….and your relentless determination to complete this ridiculous - yet somehow spectacularly intriguing - project. Thank you for documenting the journey in vivid detail.
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I continue to be impressed with your skills…

….and your relentless determination to complete this ridiculous - yet somehow spectacularly intriguing - project. Thank you for documenting the journey in vivid detail.

I have no life



If I have to endure it, I want everyone else to endure it with me!
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I continue to be impressed with your skills…
Same here. The man is multi-talented, and very good.

AMCO: very nice. But please take today off - some things (like taking care of spouse and mom) are more important today.

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