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Kurt,
The only plan that has come together is yet one more in the continuing saga of bottom bracket pictures and repaint of said bottom bracket. How did we get to almost 1300 posts about Huffy bottom brackets? I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't have a War Department like I do. Other wise he would still be pondering the idea of Campification of a Huffy rather than actually doing so. I certainly hope he spends some time today with the wife and children instead of his new red adorned stepchild. Smiles, MH

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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO

I totally get what Paul Brodie and others talk about when they talk about feathering the braze work and the fillets. You don't want to be hitting steel and undercut it. Real good learning lesson. I nicked it a couple of times, so I'll take it a little slower next time (oh my...next time? Let's hope not!)
After seeing the type of thing that Raleigh got away with back in the '70s with 531 tubing, I doubt there's much to worry about in undercutting the stuff on that Huffy. It could probably take a lightening dip in muriatic acid, to take a cheat from stock car racing.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
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The only plan that has come together is yet one more in the continuing saga of bottom bracket picture and repaint of said bottom bracket. How did we get to almost 1300 posts about Huffy bottom brackets? I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't have a War Department like I do. Other wise he would still be pondering the idea of Campification of a Huffy rather than actually doing so. I certainly hope he spends some time today with the wife and children instead of his new red adorned stepchild. Smiles, MH

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Lol...freakin' Huffy. The only bike that can be improved with an angle grinder.



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Originally Posted by sbarner
After seeing the type of thing that Raleigh got away with back in the '70s with 531 tubing, I doubt there's much to worry about in undercutting the stuff on that Huffy. It could probably take a lightening dip in muriatic acid, to take a cheat from stock car racing.

Haha, good point. At any rate, I just sort of told myself...'well, it will be a fun experiment to see if anything happens (I doubt anything will)...but if it cracks in a spot that I do something goofy on, like slip with a dremel or whatnot...I'll just put a blob of brazing bronze on it. After all, I'm good at that!'
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Kinda looks like one of those weird early bikes from the 1900s. Gotta admit, as funky as it is, I don't hate the look
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Amazing job overall
Mind blown from so much craftsmanship
Ugliest fork "dropout" i ever seen.

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It's starting to look "RESPECTABLE"!
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Kurt,
The only plan that has come together is yet one more in the continuing saga of bottom bracket picture and repaint of said bottom bracket. How did we get to almost 1300 posts about Huffy bottom brackets? I'm pretty sure Dave doesn't have a War Department like I do. Other wise he would still be pondering the idea of Campification of a Huffy rather than actually doing so. I certainly hope he spends some time today with the wife and children instead of his new red adorned stepchild. Smiles, MH

Since Mad Honk has taken on the daunting task of assuming the difficult title of 'Resident Huffy Thread Bottom Bracket Picture Complainer', taking the esteemed title from @cudak888 (you did well sir, you did well), I dedicate these next series of posts to our very own, and much respected, Crapmaster.


One of the problems with these adapter cups is how thick they were, so any interference issue was going to be magnified. And, originally the thickness was also interfering with the chainstay connections inside the BB shell, so while I had initially decided to noctch them, I ended up just cutting about 1/4" off the back side of each one. I cut more off the side that had the heads of the allen bolts, and left about 1/16"-3/32" more on the threaded side, just to make sure that they had enough meat to grab and hold. I didn't bother with the drillium this time, as we had to keep making progress and I had already been delayed for an infinity amount of reasons so I threw up my hands - I'll eat the weight penalty of 30g

While it amounted to an insane amount of work, I am thankful to Mad Honk for providing these, free of charge, to me for the build. They have enabled me to use the stock Campy parts, and the combo of black anodizing and engine turning looks freakin' good. They would look even better if I hadn't dropped each one at least 2x and laid them all over dirty shop surfaces and cut into them and ground them and all of that...after the engine turning. Lessons being learned



I custom fit each one to each side. After cutting about 1/3rd off each one, I ground the back faces decently flat, then deburred the inside edges. Once I started pressing them on, I would put them in by hand until I met resistance, then I would pull them out, check for interference marks, and hand file each one until I could reliably fit each one in until there was about 1/8" left to go. Lined up the bolt holes, and Bob's yer uncle.





Before the final assembly, I chamfered each shell edge so that we wouldn't get caught up on that either. No precise tools here! I'm a woodworker, darn it! hahaha



I did have to use a *teeny* bit more force to get that DS cup in - I pulled out the hammer, a rag and a block and gave it a few blows to send it home. Not really too concerned, should be fine, but if during the 2nd Arc of the build, we decide to pull the cups out and lighten them up, I may elect to make the fit a little be easier. We'll see.
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Now I know there have been questions about how to tighten the DS cup, as there is no good way to get a flat wrench on it, since the adapter cup is stepped down to to keep the 68mm BB length. I've heard mysterious things about special tools and whatnot, but we need to GIT R DONE right here, right now. The only time I looked up a specialty tool (BB facing) it was like a zillion dollars, so I'm not looking up any more special tools! I'll drive down to Florida and steal Kurt's before I buy one!!

So, I made my own. I dunno, this simple (and quite elegant, I might add) solution simply presented itself to me, so I decided to rock it and see how it went.



Locking down the DS cup.



Let's get to work.



Threading on the reverse-threaded DS cup, using my specialty tool, available at www.campagnolohuffy.com/shop for only $500



Cup is tight (we think), so now time to loosen - breaking it loose by using my double nuts (hahah)



Worked a charm!



What a beautiful sight. It only cost my sanity.





Hopefully the pictures tell the story. I simply tighened down a threaded rod against the inside flats of the DS cup (inside to where the bearings ride), and snugged it down, so that the cup was 'part' of the rod, if you will. Then I took some nuts on the outside, tightened them together for a unlocking nut once it was done, and simply threaded it in, and snugged it up. Now I know every single old bicycle DS cup has about 1000lb ft lbs of torque, and obviously we are a bit limited on how much we can truly put on, so I decided to use some thread locking juice to keep it in place.

Will it hold? Will it loosen up? Who knows! We'll find out!
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YEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!

Gonna grab me a cold glass of jugo de naranja, kick back, and watch as the sacrilege begins!

Look out, all of you Colnago and Cervelo P5 riders, the Huffy Corporation LeBlander Sportier Superleggera Campagnolo "The Turd Awakens" Edition is gunning for you. Out there. Somewhere. Maybe you'll find it where "Mike" and "Tiger" hang out, trading stories of trying to get their wheels centered in the forks.

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P.S.: Amazing how a Super Record headset seems to excuse everything.
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"Wow...#1xxx posts in and I'm still not seeing everything I want to see with this build!"

"How come this thing isn't built yet? You should just magically be able to make everything fit!"

"Bottom bracket pics here, bottom bracket pics there, bottom bracket pics everywhere!"


"I like lamp."



Okay groucho and grounchette frowny clownies,

Today is your day! All your complaining and backhanded comments have not been in vain! Away from the computer, I've been internalizing them and just waiting for the moment when I could turn your big frown upside down. Ehh, not really.


But nonetheless, the build goes on! For whatever reason this bottom bracket issue has been the crux/bain of the entire build. It makes sense, since it is the heart of the bike, Wait...scratch that. It doesn't make sense. Nothing makes sense! Why have things been so difficult! *slams fist* I just don't get it! Installing a bottom bracket should never have been that hard! Why is it always these issues!? Why is the whole world against me?! Nobody likes me! *cries*


Okay...whew...I'm okay now.


So, here we are! I'd explain why I'm making all these crazy (as in: fast, actually productive, etc) posts now but it would take too long to explain. Everything at Le Grande HQ is good. And thank you for your concern. You should always be concerned.


Especially...now that...we have...more Campy...on the bike!! La la...la la...do..do!


Okay I'm tired of explaining stuff. Here are the pictures just check 'em out






The heck is this little thing? Its ugly AND it's heavy. Looks like junk to me. I think I'm going to throw it out.



















Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust kidding! (It's still ugly and heavy tho)



The bottom bracket shell paintwork has been through the wars and the bike hasn't even been built yet! We'll clean it up as best we can once it cures for longer.



That dumb cable guide....sooooooo short! Gotta fix that next. Mechanical issues take priority now.



Whoa, lots o' Campy on there. I can feel the purist's blood pressure rising. This stuff almost wasn't good enough for the Huffy, but you all convinced me.







So, what is our tally now?

Campy Super Record shifters - check
Campy Super Record front derailleur - check
Campy Super Record headset - check
Campy Super Record bottom bracket - check
Campy Super Record crankset - check
Campy Super Record QR (heh) - check
Campy Super Record front wheel - check

That's what, like 7/10 ?? Where are the haters???? (Actually, they probably start showing up now since the bike is more offensive).

This post has been a LONG TIME COMING and has amounted to more work than I ever though possible or imaginable, save for building a bike from the ground up from the tubes and jigs and stuff. Hand filing lugs. No, maybe that would have been easier.

Would I have still gone ahead with this insane escapade if I knew what I was in for? That is a dangerous question! I'm not sure I can answer it. But here we are.

We don't live in the past.

We live in the present.


And the here and now is the Super Record Huffy.
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Is this Breaking Away, Breaking Bad, Breaking Bottom Bracket, or Breaking My Mind?

It's going to be a PITA mounting the chainrings that way, FYI. Not impossible at all, just harder than it needs to be.

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Finally some Campy parts hanging on the frame! I think we may have some progress toward a rideable build of this bike. I am currently finishing some repairs on a Huffy style bike for an auto mechanic's wife, but will likely have sometime to send some Campy love to the Huffy later this week. Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Is this Breaking Away, Breaking Bad, Breaking Bottom Bracket, or Breaking My Mind?

It's going to be a PITA mounting the chainrings that way, FYI. Not impossible at all, just harder than it needs to be.

-Kurt
In keeping with the way this “build?!” has gone from the beginning, how else would/should he do it?? It is only a double so the challenge is minimized.
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Originally Posted by Positron400
Amazing job overall
Mind blown from so much craftsmanship
Ugliest fork "dropout" i ever seen.

- end of Haiku
Nice work! I'll play!

Campy on Huffy
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But fun in weird ways.
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Originally Posted by cudak888

It's going to be a PITA mounting the chainrings that way, FYI. Not impossible at all, just harder than it needs to be.

-Kurt
There is a reason for that...to come.

But, I'm excited to hear that it's harder than it needs to be - it lines up with the build PERFECTLY!

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Originally Posted by stoneageyosh
In keeping with the way this “build?!” has gone from the beginning, how else would/should he do it?? It is only a double so the challenge is minimized.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Finally some Campy parts hanging on the frame! I think we may have some progress toward a rideable build of this bike. I am currently finishing some repairs on a Huffy style bike for an auto mechanic's wife, but will likely have sometime to send some Campy love to the Huffy later this week. Smiles, MH

You know, I wonder how many people behind the scenes were actually worried about this. Like...worried that in the end, it was all just a big joke, or that somehow I never truly intended to finish the bike and was just stringing people along.

I'm betting a lot.


I don't blame them, not one bit. They feel that way because they've gotten hurt in the past putting their faith and trust in people, only to have been bitten and hurt by those they love.

We are here to right those wrongs. We are here to help those suffering people heal from their past. This is probably the kindest, gentlest thread on the entire forum. Always loving and accepting, even to the grouches.

The Super Huffy...Restoring Faith in Humanity
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Originally Posted by gbi
It's starting to look "RESPECTABLE"!

Oh gosh, I hope not. How else am I going to get people stirred up and offended?
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Oh gosh, I hope not. How else am I going to get people stirred up and offended?
Fear not, my friend, for I have a surefire checklist for you to do just that!
  1. Post a picture of a Centurion painted as a 3Rensho,
  2. Post a link to the build of the Breaking Away replica Masi,
  3. "Fork's bent,"
  4. "What constitutes a C&V bike?"
  5. "What constitutes the value of my C&V bike with bent forks?"
  6. Suggest Kool-Stop brake pads might be slightly undersized,
  7. Post only bottom bracket pictures (you just lost this streak by posting actual photos of the bike),
  8. Ask why Drillium Dude asked to be banned,
  9. Post pictures of Colnago-pantographed kickstands in Portland pottery,
  10. Post only bottom bracket pictures of a Centurion painted as a 3Rensho with bent forks and undersized Kool-Stops while asking its value next to the replica Breaking Away Masi and messaging Drillium Dude about pantographing a Colnago kickstand while enjoying some Portland pottery with Grant Peterson.
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Originally Posted by gbi
It's starting to look "RESPECTABLE"!
Can that word really be associated with this bike?
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Old 05-14-23, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Can that word really be associated with this bike?
No, not even the Campagnolo can save it, for it's prestige is now lost. Guilt by association.
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