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Old 07-31-23, 06:25 PM
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I always top-off the bearing races before reassembly. It is surprising how often several are missing. It's as if they have dissolved and evaporated away.
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I thought that only happened with ceramic bearings! (har) It seems they are always missing a few. Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
I can't wait to see the pictures of this process as AMCO goes through it. I find it unusual when I do the Shimano freehubs, that the often have far fewer bearings than I expect. I often wonder if they thought the fewer bearings would work better at the engineering level. Smiles, MH

Now, I hope you know what you are asking. At least a hundred posts, 96% of which will be unadulterated nonsense, and more ridiculous memes and gifs. All for one part to be cleaned.

I mean, I'll do it, especially for that 96%. We still have yet to get to 2000 posts, and I can barely sleep at night for it.

Shall the Huffy thread be dredged up from the depths of the otherworld and torment purists once again?


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No, I haven’t yet gotten around to doing the freewheel, but took a little trip to drop off a part to a fellow bike nerd, and what bike to take?

The Huffente, of course! It continues to exceed expectations.



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Those were pretty low expectations...does it ride like the dream bike you’ve always wanted?

I’m betting the Crapamount will have more flex.
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So much nicer than the CrapAMount will wind up being. I often think the parts will work for a rider who understands the way they work. With the Campy stuff it doesn't take a lot of work to understand how it works. The frame is just the canvas for the partshung on it. I'm glad it rides well. Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Those were pretty low expectations...

HEY NOW! Actually, I had no expectations. If the bike didn't basically fall apart (which is sort of did, halfway through the build process), we were going to be ahead of the game.

Someone I've been talking to for a while now, who has been, and continues to be, a big supporter and contributor to the success of this project, has continued to press me to talk more about the ride quality and has encouraged me to keep posting about the bike in various ride threads like 'Where'd you ride today?' just so people are aware that this bike is a rider - it was not a 'build and forget' or a 'that's nice...now to the garbage!' type builds. The bike gets ridden, and not out of sympathy.

The truth is - the bike is dialed. It feels completely on-point, no doubt thanks to the quality of the components. When shifted and trimmed, there is zero noise from the drivetrain, and the ride is smooooth. I choose it because I know it's going to be a great ride.

I had also posted pictures to my friend of this bike, which I've also been taking out more recently as well, as I've been experimenting with bike fit -




He suggested that I try a better tire to see how the ride really improves. I was curious, so I pulled the Campy Record wheelset off the Huffente, and put it on this bike, and rode it for a few miles. Truth be told, I actually preferred the ride of the Huffy, with this same wheelset. The Record wheelset was WAY lighter than the Maillard 700/Vittoria Randonneur combo, and I thought it was going to transform the ride, but it actually didn't. Maybe I'm biased, but I do like both bikes, and was not necessarily hoping for a specific outcome.





So far, I've got a host of bikes to compare it to, including a Trek 560 Pro Series, a Trek 600, Raleigh Super Course, Peugeot PX-10, Peugeot PXN-10 (all 531 bikes), and a Trek 957 and 938 (Columbus SL), and a few other misc bikes, and the Huffy hangs with them all. It doesn't quite have the 'springy' quality I get with the SP/SL, but that's expected given the thick tubing. And no, it is not some Italian race bike (don't tell the Huffente). The claim that some may have from this bike, that the frame might be 'whippy' or ''flexy', I don't get that feel at all. The bike that most closely compares to it, is the Super Course. Smooth, but nimble. I would argue that the Huffy feels a bit more refined than the Super Course, which is an effect of the Campy Super Record.

I DO think that the stem is a a bit too short, as it doesn't really allow one to stretch out over the bike and really work with the bike to it's fullest potential. The difficulty is finding a long enough stem with a 0.833 / 21.2mm stem neck, with anything more than a 25.4mm clamp size. Nigh impossible. However, SR has made some 21.1mm stems that are 80-90mm long. I might have to figure something out with the clamp, since I still want to use a Cinelli bar.

I'm also rethinking the tape wrap to something more traditional - either shellac'd Newbaums or stitched leather, or whatnot. The leather has been a good experience, and I still really like it, but it is non-traditional, and since we are trying to go with MAXIMUM RETROGROUCH PAIN with the build, something reserved for high end bikes should be only what I consider. So I think my options are probably looking more like Newbaums or Benotto. I'm definitely keeping the leather hoods though.



Looking back on the entire build, this project was never about 'Huffy fanboy-dom'. It was about answering a question - frame, or components, to create the favorite ride? Everyone always looks at the frame, the tubing, and the name on the headtube. To better answer this question, I took what was unquestionably a garbage bike, with garbage parts, just to see what could be done.

I cannot think of a higher endorsement than this: For any future group rides, or cycling events, I will either ride the Huffente, or some other version of a Huffy (wink wink). It is that good that I'm not tempted to feel like I need anything else. I might have to size up that rear freewheel though. Man...the gearing, at least for here in Colorado, is rough!

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I am guessing the slack angles contribute a lot to the stability and the bulk, dampening. I am guessing where it might fall short is tight curves?
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The bike continues to be freakin awesome, despite all the heavy, clunky, outdated Campagnolo parts on it. Took it out today with a bunch of other bikes…








I rode it back to back with some of my other, ahem, more ‘highly thought of’ bikes -


Nevermind those goofy levers, I don’t have anything else yet!



This evening it was Columbus SL vs Reynolds 531 vs seamed gas pipe.

I compared it against the Trek 938 (yes, new to Le Grande HQ!) and two PXN-10s (one not pictured). The Trek was a delight, with that lovely SL frame, even with the terrible wheels and tires. The Peugeots, however, were complete slugs, lol. Beautiful slugs, but slugs nonetheless. The Trek and Huffente are hangin’ high in Le Grande HQ! Both are a joy to ride. More comparisons with other bikes to come!

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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
I am guessing the slack angles contribute a lot to the stability and the bulk, dampening. I am guessing where it might fall short is tight curves?
The fork rake does seem to give the appearance of super slack angles, but the steering is more neutral than you would think. Still takes some attention when you takes your hands off the bars.
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
The bike continues to be freakin awesome, despite all the heavy, clunky, outdated Campagnolo parts on it. Took it out today with a bunch of other bikes…
I rode it back to back with some of my other, ahem, more ‘highly thought of’ bikes -

Nevermind those goofy levers, I don’t have anything else yet!
This evening it was Columbus SL vs Reynolds 531 vs seamed gas pipe.
I compared it against the Trek 938 (yes, new to Le Grande HQ!) and two PXN-10s (one not pictured). The Trek was a delight, with that lovely SL frame, even with the terrible wheels and tires. The Peugeots, however, were complete slugs, lol. Beautiful slugs, but slugs nonetheless. The Trek and Huffente are hangin’ high in Le Grande HQ! Both are a joy to ride. More comparisons with other bikes to come!
Those pesky hand-built vintage Treks!! They continue to be the biggest argument against trying out/paying for a custom frame. A few hundred (complete, mind you, more often than not, which is still crazy to me) for this level of bike, adaptability to modern stuff including larger supple tires vs thousands? Consider my deal-hunting self eternally satisfied! (I do love beautiful customs, have been the beneficiary of custom builders' frames, and am glad they are around and will continue to exist)
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Those pesky hand-built vintage Treks!! They continue to be the biggest argument against trying out/paying for a custom frame. A few hundred (complete, mind you, more often than not, which is still crazy to me) for this level of bike, adaptability to modern stuff including larger supple tires vs thousands? Consider my deal-hunting self eternally satisfied! (I do love beautiful customs, have been the beneficiary of custom builders' frames, and am glad they are around and will continue to exist)
Yep, well and I do still have the frame/fork from the 957 (950 frameset) but it is likely too small to me, and thus I wanted to find something just slightly less cramped. I can ride it, but it is definitely a 'race' fit. And then this '79 930 popped up, w/ very little description and mostly changed parts. The thing I did the most is the color, which I believe is the original Dupont Light Green (custom colors were available for an small upcharge). I told myself even if the paint wasn't original, I would be fine with it since I love the color, and that was my baseline, but I really do think it is original. That subtle metallic flake is there, there is real depth to the paint up close, even though it is a thin spray, and I've found a couple other photos of Treks with this same color, albeit not in this size, and they are from around the exact same timeframe. From what I gather it is an exceedingly rare color, and once I collect all the little bits and bobs, it is going to be torn down, cleaned up, and sympathetically rebuild back up w/ Nuovo Record. Unless I can find a near exact match, not sure what to do with the paint, as it could use a few touch-ups, most notably the first cable guide, which has some worming all around it.
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I think I have your best match for the Huffente and I'm thinking it will give it a run for the money. Best to bring your Pink slip for this competition cause I may get the best of yer Huffy! The heavyweight/lightweight contender:

Mid 1980's Guerciotti low cereal number from Ten Speed Drive

Unit number from TSD size 57 ctt

Nice tubing set and standard color scheme

A bit of touch up that can't bee seen from five feet

A spot that needs a bit of touch up
So I am thinking this will blow the decals off the Huffente ! Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
I think I have your best match for the Huffente and I'm thinking it will give it a run for the money. Best to bring your Pink slip for this competition cause I may get the best of yer Huffy! The heavyweight/lightweight contender:

Mid 1980's Guerciotti low cereal number from Ten Speed Drive

Unit number from TSD size 57 ctt

Nice tubing set and standard color scheme

A bit of touch up that can't bee seen from five feet

A spot that needs a bit of touch up
So I am thinking this will blow the decals off the Huffente ! Smiles, MH

ITS ON!!!

Although I'm slightly scared, because all the Italianophiles have told me that having red paint on an Italian road bike makes it go faster.

But...is that why they paint so many of them red? They need every little bit of help they can get??
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LOL the Guerciotti was built to actual frame standards and has the vast majority of its buyers/riders express their approval of the brand and its bikes. The Huffy isn't built even to esoteric French or Swiss standards! The Huffy is such a dark horse it's actually a Black Hole Horse. Or a Vantablack Horse. So left field it's right. The Guerc' doesn't stand a chance!
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>>>>>> 'The Huffnago' vs 'The Guacamole' <<<<<<<

The battle of the century is starting to take shape. The battle lines are drawn.

We now have the next arc to this ridiculous dumpster fire thread!
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Best to bring your Pink slip for this competition cause I may get the best of yer Huffy! The heavyweight/lightweight contender:

You do realize that if we're talking pink slips, and the Huffy loses you'd have to take it!? You might just want to forfeit
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The competition begins! The Guerciotti is getting dressed for the trip to Colorado, and will wear it's best Halloween orange dress. Pictures soon to ensue. Now that the competition commences you may refer to me as: "Your Honknificence".
BTW Kurt will soon get his fork parts. It should be a blast if Mike lets him even touch the torch. Smiles, MH
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I will tell you exactly what hanging a pile of upper-class parts onto a vintage Huffy equals "=", look up what Gentrification and Cultural Appropriation are, and no, they are not flattering positive or constructive things to do except in the eyes of those ignorant enough to participate in them.

If you spend time in an actual poor or working class neighborhood, you will see lots of Huffy bicycles, and other department-store brands being ridden by those they were actually marketed to in the first place, and in fact you will even see the trickle-down cast-offs of the wealthy class, old mansions turned into multi-family dwellings by wealthy slum-lords who do not even live withing a thousand miles of "their" property, BMW 700-series and Mercedes sedans outdated or too dilapidated for the wealthy to drive to their offices, but not old enough for the wealthy hipsters to have latched onto as "collectible" yet, Cadillac Escalades too old for soccer moms to feel good about driving anymore with oversize wheels and booming woofers and amps in them.

Then comes Mr. "Pretty Fly", as described in Offspring's song about the clueless white boy who buys a low-rider and drives into an ethnic neighborhood with "ink" and his version of "break dancing". Bolting upper-crust parts onto a Huffy's heavy seamed-tube frame and going "look what I did mommy" is no different than when having Starbucks gut out a storefront that used to be an actual working-class mom&pop cafe or restaurant and keeping a photo of the original proprietors from say the 1970s framed on the wall to rip off their real history and credibility to market their corporate stank to those ignorant enough to line up for it.

The Huffy bicycles do have a real history in the past and today of being used and ridden by the working-class blue-collar and low-income class population, and that is why watching one ignorant "Pretty Fly" fool commit the cycling equivalent of Gentrification and Cultural Appropriation is as sad as the pages of other equally ignorant "Pretty Fly" people lined up to applaud the act this thread is all about.

Now if there is anyone out there actually preserving and/or riding Huffy bikes in a way that is respectful to their huge history and past that is something to applaud and legitimately spend many pages on. It takes as little skill, talent or depth of character to bolt Conago parts onto a Huffy as it would to bolt Ferrari wheels onto a Honda Civic or to applaud it. And it would take little skill or talent to do much, much better, but even that level is hard to find here huh?

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When I think of Huffy and cycling I can't help but beckon to the time when Lemond raced with a big ol' Hufffy pasted on the top tube of his TVT made Look carbon tubed Campy equipped frame in the 80's. Yes, a carbon Huffy ! Hah hah .... a carbon tubed TVT of course, with bonded alloy lugs to boot. It was an oddity to me as we only knew Huffy bikes as department store cheapos ! I didn't know anything about sponsorship deals before that, then I did.

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We had both sponsorship and contingency money offered to our RAAM team. We had stickers to cover the logos of our Piccio frames and Rauler frames that if applied and rode at the finish line would bring in a $10k contingency. You can easily bet that a heavyweight Huffy would survive the 300 mile per day rides, and last for 3000 miles ridden continuously. Finding a correct fit for that type of ride would be almost impossible with the Huffy parts ensemble that came stock to the bikes. So yes, the finer steeds are ridden with payout stickers on them for the monetary reasons. Smiles, MH
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I will tell you exactly what hanging a pile of upper-class parts onto a vintage Huffy equals "=", look up what Gentrification and Cultural Appropriation are, and no, they are not flattering positive or constructive things to do except in the eyes of those ignorant enough to participate in them.

If you spend time in an actual poor or working class neighborhood, you will see lots of Huffy bicycles, and other department-store brands being ridden by those they were actually marketed to in the first place, and in fact you will even see the trickle-down cast-offs of the wealthy class, old mansions turned into multi-family dwellings by wealthy slum-lords who do not even live withing a thousand miles of "their" property, BMW 700-series and Mercedes sedans outdated or too dilapidated for the wealthy to drive to their offices, but not old enough for the wealthy hipsters to have latched onto as "collectible" yet, Cadillac Escalades too old for soccer moms to feel good about driving anymore with oversize wheels and booming woofers and amps in them.

Then comes Mr. "Pretty Fly", as described in Offspring's song about the clueless white boy who buys a low-rider and drives into an ethnic neighborhood with "ink" and his version of "break dancing". Bolting upper-crust parts onto a Huffy's heavy seamed-tube frame and going "look what I did mommy" is no different than when having Starbucks gut out a storefront that used to be an actual working-class mom&pop cafe or restaurant and keeping a photo of the original proprietors from say the 1970s framed on the wall to rip off their real history and credibility to market their corporate stank to those ignorant enough to line up for it.

The Huffy bicycles do have a real history in the past and today of being used and ridden by the working-class blue-collar and low-income class population, and that is why watching one ignorant "Pretty Fly" fool commit the cycling equivalent of Gentrification and Cultural Appropriation is as sad as the pages of other equally ignorant "Pretty Fly" people lined up to applaud the act this thread is all about.

Now if there is anyone out there actually preserving and/or riding Huffy bikes in a way that is respectful to their huge history and past that is something to applaud and legitimately spend many pages on. It takes as little skill, talent or depth of character to bolt Conago parts onto a Huffy as it would to bolt Ferrari wheels onto a Honda Civic or to applaud it. And it would take little skill or talent to do much, much better, but even that level is hard to find here huh?

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Originally Posted by 88ss
The Huffy bicycles do have a real history in the past and today of being used and ridden by the working-class blue-collar and low-income class population, and that is why watching one ignorant "Pretty Fly" fool commit the cycling equivalent of Gentrification and Cultural Appropriation is as sad as the pages of other equally ignorant "Pretty Fly" people lined up to applaud the act this thread is all about.
I think you just red-lined the sarcasmeter.
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Now back to the challenge at hand...
She is dressed in her favorite color of the season; Jump Suit orange. Next will be a few black zip ties to hold everything on, and into the travel case she will go. Then off to Adventure Man for the ride comparison. It will be interesting whether this poser shall perform to the high level of the Huffente, or if she will stumble somewhere during the contrast rides. The challenge is on! Huffente VS a nice young Italian girl just waiting for the ride. At this point we need to channel Dave Stoller screaming: Mamma! The Italians are coming! Now hear Rossini's barber music in the background.

The Guerciotti getting dressed for the trip.
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Dave # 2,
She is all dressed and ready for shipping labels. No Match for the BOC as she only weighs in at: 15#. But I am thinking your gonna like her very much, besides she is still pretty after all of these years! As soon as I get her ticket she will be off to you. Picture of her getting ready for the trip:

Her she is in her favorite color; Prison jump suit orange with festive black jewelry on for the trip.

She was ready to get into the special handmade box and was snug as a bug inside.

A few last minute additions that she may need for the new get up.

All sealed up and weighed on the scrapyard scale at 15#. Now to get labelling on she is off to Colorado.
All set for travelling. Dave # 3
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