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03-20-23, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by merziac
That fork will be just fine for now or from now on. 
Whoever fixes the headlug needs to and probably will look hard for more damage, fork likely gone from a front ender.
This seems a bit odd to me and I would send pics to Cinelli and see what they think, very clean separation, lack of or very poor penetration, maybe?
Whoever fixes the headlug needs to and probably will look hard for more damage, fork likely gone from a front ender.
This seems a bit odd to me and I would send pics to Cinelli and see what they think, very clean separation, lack of or very poor penetration, maybe?
Agreed. A fork is a fork. Unless you are looking for museum quality authenticity, as a riding fork it probably is fine. Plus you can get it raked at Cinelli specs if different.
I almost guarantee you are correct an it was in a pretty awful accident. Not sure why the down tube isn't ruffled...
Hopefully doesn't become too MUCH of a rabbit hole for you.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
A fork is a fork. Unless you are looking for museum quality authenticity, as a riding fork it probably is fine.
Plus you can get it raked at Cinelli specs if different.
The reason I assumed the OP would want to find an original fork is because it is important for the fork geometry to match the frame it's designed for. The second line of your post is heartening, though, and if possible with a fully-chromed fork (I don't know if re-raking could/would cause distress to the chrome plating), that would be the best compromise to ensure handling close to the original.
Regarding the stay end treatment: I wonder if Cinelli had other framebuilders contracted to build these in the later 80s? The stay-end treatment was something I noticed, but didn't know there was variation until @smd4 posted the pic of his '89's ends. FWIW, here's a shot of my '83 Colnago Mexico with the same treatment to the ends as seen on the OP's frame:
@Spaghetti Legs Those 'C' buttons look genuine, so that's the route I'd go. Combining items to make the shipping worthwhile is a great suggestion
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03-20-23, 03:19 PM
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Mario Camilotto is supposed to be the guy building the Supercorsa in '89. He used to have a blog that was dormant last time I looked a couple of years ago but can't find it now.
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03-20-23, 03:43 PM
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That’s a good point about the chrome and bending the fork to adjust rake. Didn’t think of that.
Hopefully the repairs are not terribly expensive, though a cracked head tube can’t be a good sign.
Luckily the names suggested, Franklin and Marinoni are excellent from what I have seen of their repair work.
Who is the gentleman in Iowa that repainted jjhabbs Raleigh?
Hopefully the repairs are not terribly expensive, though a cracked head tube can’t be a good sign.
Luckily the names suggested, Franklin and Marinoni are excellent from what I have seen of their repair work.
Who is the gentleman in Iowa that repainted jjhabbs Raleigh?
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Well, not exactly...
The reason I assumed the OP would want to find an original fork is because it is important for the fork geometry to match the frame it's designed for. The second line of your post is heartening, though, and if possible with a fully-chromed fork (I don't know if re-raking could/would cause distress to the chrome plating), that would be the best compromise to ensure handling close to the original.
Regarding the stay end treatment: I wonder if Cinelli had other framebuilders contracted to build these in the later 80s? The stay-end treatment was something I noticed, but didn't know there was variation until @smd4 posted the pic of his '89's ends. FWIW, here's a shot of my '83 Colnago Mexico with the same treatment to the ends as seen on the OP's frame:
@Spaghetti Legs Those 'C' buttons look genuine, so that's the route I'd go. Combining items to make the shipping worthwhile is a great suggestion
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The reason I assumed the OP would want to find an original fork is because it is important for the fork geometry to match the frame it's designed for. The second line of your post is heartening, though, and if possible with a fully-chromed fork (I don't know if re-raking could/would cause distress to the chrome plating), that would be the best compromise to ensure handling close to the original.
Regarding the stay end treatment: I wonder if Cinelli had other framebuilders contracted to build these in the later 80s? The stay-end treatment was something I noticed, but didn't know there was variation until @smd4 posted the pic of his '89's ends. FWIW, here's a shot of my '83 Colnago Mexico with the same treatment to the ends as seen on the OP's frame:
@Spaghetti Legs Those 'C' buttons look genuine, so that's the route I'd go. Combining items to make the shipping worthwhile is a great suggestion
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
That’s a good point about the chrome and bending the fork to adjust rake. Didn’t think of that.
Hopefully the repairs are not terribly expensive, though a cracked head tube can’t be a good sign.
Luckily the names suggested, Franklin and Marinoni are excellent from what I have seen of their repair work.
Who is the gentleman in Iowa that repainted jjhabbs Raleigh?
Hopefully the repairs are not terribly expensive, though a cracked head tube can’t be a good sign.
Luckily the names suggested, Franklin and Marinoni are excellent from what I have seen of their repair work.
Who is the gentleman in Iowa that repainted jjhabbs Raleigh?
Also says they have a frame repair already setup so maybe we'll get to find out about it.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Jeffery Bock, OP is in Canada so Marinoni the obvious choice and a darn good one.
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03-20-23, 05:06 PM
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Left my phone number with the OP, had a nice chat about Marinoni, all should be good.
I'll leave it up to him to spell out the details...
I'll leave it up to him to spell out the details...
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03-20-23, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by merziac
Also says they have a frame repair already setup so maybe we'll get to find out about it.
Since I'll be in Toronto soon and for the forseeable future as well, I'm planning to bring it to Bicycle Specialties (Mariposa) first. They'd be a much more convenient option and seem to have a strong reputation as well. Coincidentally the frame has a Tony Beek Refinishing decal on it, and last I saw he was at one point Mariposa's painter though I'm not sure how things are today.
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Originally Posted by loglim11
Nothing booked in yet, just some names in mind. Marinoni has been getting some really great press in this thread, so I'll definitely keep them in mind before comitting to anything. I did speak with Marinoni today and it sounded like they could do the job for a very good price. Only thing is, they're a 3 hour drive from me now, and I won't have access to a car until I get to Toronto.
Since I'll be in Toronto soon and for the forseeable future as well, I'm planning to bring it to Bicycle Specialties (Mariposa) first. They'd be a much more convenient option and seem to have a strong reputation as well. Coincidentally the frame has a Tony Beek Refinishing decal on it, and last I saw he was at one point Mariposa's painter though I'm not sure how things are today.
Since I'll be in Toronto soon and for the forseeable future as well, I'm planning to bring it to Bicycle Specialties (Mariposa) first. They'd be a much more convenient option and seem to have a strong reputation as well. Coincidentally the frame has a Tony Beek Refinishing decal on it, and last I saw he was at one point Mariposa's painter though I'm not sure how things are today.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Nice!
While I believe those may be re-pops (note the black outline - especially on the inner part of the 'C' - appears to be sections of flat lines vice a constant radius), that's a great price, and only people like me would notice.
While I believe those may be re-pops (note the black outline - especially on the inner part of the 'C' - appears to be sections of flat lines vice a constant radius), that's a great price, and only people like me would notice.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
Mario Camilotto is supposed to be the guy building the Supercorsa in '89.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
Mario Camilotto is supposed to be the guy building the Supercorsa in '89. He used to have a blog that was dormant last time I looked a couple of years ago but can't find it now.
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Originally Posted by smd4
It's interesting to me that while we both have '89 SCs, the finishing where the dropouts meet the stays is markedly different.
Via Google translate:
The Cinelli welded by Mario remain unique thanks to the fold of the fork and the typical dropouts of the Pogliaghi school.
From here: https://www.mariocamilotto.com/
Here are Pogliaghi dropouts:
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Originally Posted by merziac
Jeffery Bock, OP is in Canada so Marinoni the obvious choice and a darn good one.
Also says they have a frame repair already setup so maybe we'll get to find out about it.
Also says they have a frame repair already setup so maybe we'll get to find out about it.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
Mariposa is a better choice,
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03-22-23, 07:45 AM
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Mariposa is great but not cheap
Marinoni has the experience and would be cheaper, OP might want a full repaint and decals, which Marinoni are very good at as well
My guess is that whomever fixes this will put in a whole new head tube....
Marinoni has the experience and would be cheaper, OP might want a full repaint and decals, which Marinoni are very good at as well
My guess is that whomever fixes this will put in a whole new head tube....
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Via Google translate:
The Cinelli welded by Mario remain unique thanks to the fold of the fork and the typical dropouts of the Pogliaghi school.
From here: https://www.mariocamilotto.com/
Here are Pogliaghi dropouts:
The Cinelli welded by Mario remain unique thanks to the fold of the fork and the typical dropouts of the Pogliaghi school.
From here: https://www.mariocamilotto.com/
Here are Pogliaghi dropouts:
I'm not sure that translation is completely accurate. What is "the fold of the fork?" Does that mean the shape of the fork's curve? And I'm not sure what it means that the dropouts are "of the Pogliaghi school?" Does that mean the style of welding to the stays, as I mentioned (and which seem to match the images you posted)? Because my dropouts are Campagnolo, not Pogliaghi.
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Originally Posted by smd4
I'm not sure that translation is completely accurate. What is "the fold of the fork?" Does that mean the shape of the fork's curve?
Originally Posted by smd4
And I'm not sure what it means that the dropouts are "of the Pogliaghi school?" Does that mean the style of welding to the stays, as I mentioned (and which seem to match the images you posted)?
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Yeah I'm not sure, which is why I included the quote in Italian. It was more about the dropouts though.
I get the sense that Sante adopted the smooth curved transition from stay to dropout like yours, which he probably passed on to Mario. So what I'm suggesting is possibly the OP's frame wasn't built by Mario.
I get the sense that Sante adopted the smooth curved transition from stay to dropout like yours, which he probably passed on to Mario. So what I'm suggesting is possibly the OP's frame wasn't built by Mario.
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Yeah I'm not sure, which is why I included the quote in Italian. It was more about the dropouts though.
03-28-23, 05:43 PM
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Fork arrived today! The chrome is in very good shape though it could use a bit of cleanup. Overall I'm pretty happy with it.
I also picked up a wheelset to get going with. It's a set of Ambrosio 19 rims with stainless spokes, Nuovo Tipo low flange (pretty sure?) hubs and some Kenda 23-622 tires. The rear also had a 5-speed freewheel which may stay or go- not sure yet. I'll probably also replace the tires as I was planning go wider, maybe up to 28s if they'll fit. But, these wheels will get me rolling for starters and then I can go from there.
Next up is double checking some measurements and finding a headset. After that I'll probably slow down buying parts until the frame is repaired. Just waiting on the next opportune time to make the trip.
I also picked up a wheelset to get going with. It's a set of Ambrosio 19 rims with stainless spokes, Nuovo Tipo low flange (pretty sure?) hubs and some Kenda 23-622 tires. The rear also had a 5-speed freewheel which may stay or go- not sure yet. I'll probably also replace the tires as I was planning go wider, maybe up to 28s if they'll fit. But, these wheels will get me rolling for starters and then I can go from there.
Next up is double checking some measurements and finding a headset. After that I'll probably slow down buying parts until the frame is repaired. Just waiting on the next opportune time to make the trip.
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Hey, it’s coming along. Fork looks nice. Seems like a lot of space between the fork crown and the tire?
While the frame is being fixed you can scout out parts.
While the frame is being fixed you can scout out parts.
03-28-23, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Hey, it’s coming along. Fork looks nice. Seems like a lot of space between the fork crown and the tire?
While the frame is being fixed you can scout out parts.
While the frame is being fixed you can scout out parts.
Now questioning if this fork is for a 700c wheel at all. It even feels a bit large for 27", not sure what is going on here.
03-28-23, 08:07 PM
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Scratch that last post: the reach measurements are actually more like
60mm front
45mm rear
Still a little concerning, but maybe more manageable with a drop bolt or something. Not sure what I was doing earlier.
60mm front
45mm rear
Still a little concerning, but maybe more manageable with a drop bolt or something. Not sure what I was doing earlier.
