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03-26-23, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
That's sort of what I did two summers ago. Took out all the various bikes in their different configurations and showed there wasn't much of a difference in what they could all do under an average rider. Earlist was mid 80's latest mid 2000's. Has steel, aluminum and carbon fiber frames in the mix. 6 speed DT up to 11 speed STI/ERGO shifting. Weights ranging from the lastest at under 16 lbs to the heaviest that was over 23 lbs.
Fun little test that I enjoyed doing. Informal as all heck but hey, it's all about having fun. All ran over the same basic route.
Fun little test that I enjoyed doing. Informal as all heck but hey, it's all about having fun. All ran over the same basic route.
03-26-23, 10:52 AM
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Here's where they used Pedro Delgado's actual Orbea from 1985 to test against a modern Orbea. I happened to have one of these Cabestany's for years and will it was a bit rough it really was one fast riding old bike.
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03-26-23, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by georges1
The most interesting thing in this sheet is that two aluminium framed bikes and one steel bike weight less far more than the others
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03-26-23, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
I put a lot of stupid money into the Cannondale to get it that light. Like buying a couple of $80 bottle cages to drop the final two ounces to get it under 16 lbs. Wound up with a light bike that isn't as fast as the 7 lb heavier Softride or as comfortable.
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03-26-23, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
I put a lot of stupid money into the Cannondale to get it that light. Like buying a couple of $80 bottle cages to drop the final two ounces to get it under 16 lbs. Wound up with a light bike that isn't as fast as the 7 lb heavier Softride or as comfortable.
03-26-23, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
BUT… you can say you have a sub-16 pound bike. Those are bragging rights!
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03-28-23, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bikemig
The reason people think you are trolling is that you are making extreme claims without any attempt to engage in a debate. The advantages and disadvantages of modern versus vintage are not as clear cut as you pretend that they are. By the way, I had the 2d post on this thread and I agreed with the GCN video that modern bikes have a lot of advantages over vintage bikes. In fact, most people here I suspect don't disagree that a great many things have improved. If you spent any time reading the posts in C&V, you would find a quite a few posts saying exactly that.
The push back is that (a) vintage bikes are quite good to ride if you like maintaining them and (b) the differences are not as extreme as you suggest.
The push back is that (a) vintage bikes are quite good to ride if you like maintaining them and (b) the differences are not as extreme as you suggest.
If you took a current tech bicycle and put it in a box for 50 years and wanted to compare it to the bike of the future, you couldn’t say the future bike shifts better because “look, the DI2 battery won’t hold a charge, I can’t shift this 50 year old bike, the new tech is vastly superior.” You’d have to put in a new battery and make sure it was functional before making a comparison.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
For sure, LOL! I mean I really did do it as a silly "weight-weenie" project on purpose. I just wanted to see how light I could get it without going too crazy.
03-28-23, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by embankmentlb
They had to build a new old Merckx because all the old bikes they test keep breaking??
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
In short, classic and vintage hacks.
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03-28-23, 10:02 AM
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I do wonder when Si had the freewheel issue if it was a matter of the lube being somewhat dry and nasty, not that a freewheel wouldn't get seriously worn under the not-so-gentle ministrations of a grand tour pro. Also, it seems that bike would have worn light narrow cotton sew-ups back in the day.
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag
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It was a relaxing, glorious ride. It was the 20 mph head wind that kept my speed down while north bound, - not the bike, not the gearing, not the groupo. It was gloriously windy, a fresh breeze. I was glad of it.
It was a relaxing, glorious ride. It was the 20 mph head wind that kept my speed down while north bound, - not the bike, not the gearing, not the groupo. It was gloriously windy, a fresh breeze. I was glad of it.
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04-08-23, 11:33 AM
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04-08-23, 12:09 PM
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I enjoyed the video and I think the conclusion was pretty fair.
the old super star was more fun to ride, felt lighter and quicker. Was in fact quicker. Looked great and felt iconic.
the new has much better hand hook geometry, shifts brainlessly, and doesn’t require you to be a bike expert to go out and ride pretty fast.
my favorite C&V’s are the ones I’ve put the most time into to polish into a neat fitting glove for me. The newer bikes have better ergonomics off the showroom floor and most people aren’t going to adjust a damn thing on their bike.
I adjust expensive race cars for a living and people that aren’t my clients tend to not adjust anything even on their $60,000-150,000 cars after they’ve spent $5000 for the weekend to be at the races. Average joe isn’t going to adjust their $699 Road bike so the manufacturers have to make something that “feels good” right off the showroom floor.
the old super star was more fun to ride, felt lighter and quicker. Was in fact quicker. Looked great and felt iconic.
the new has much better hand hook geometry, shifts brainlessly, and doesn’t require you to be a bike expert to go out and ride pretty fast.
my favorite C&V’s are the ones I’ve put the most time into to polish into a neat fitting glove for me. The newer bikes have better ergonomics off the showroom floor and most people aren’t going to adjust a damn thing on their bike.
I adjust expensive race cars for a living and people that aren’t my clients tend to not adjust anything even on their $60,000-150,000 cars after they’ve spent $5000 for the weekend to be at the races. Average joe isn’t going to adjust their $699 Road bike so the manufacturers have to make something that “feels good” right off the showroom floor.
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag
I am old enough that I appreciate every single day for what it is, not for what I want it to be.
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04-09-23, 01:34 AM
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