Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Vintage vs. Modern Video

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Vintage vs. Modern Video

Old 03-22-23, 05:41 AM
  #1  
plonz 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
plonz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Western MI
Posts: 2,777
Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 622 Post(s)
Liked 390 Times in 256 Posts
Vintage vs. Modern Video

Fun video by the folks at GCN comparing a steel Merckx to some entry-level aluminum ride.

plonz is offline  
Likes For plonz:
Old 03-22-23, 05:47 AM
  #2  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 20,440

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 178 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5852 Post(s)
Liked 3,363 Times in 2,015 Posts
I watched this. I don't disagree with the assessment that a lot of the technology has changed for the better but I still like downtube shifters.
bikemig is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 05:54 AM
  #3  
embankmentlb
Senior Member
 
embankmentlb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,361

Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 141 Posts
They had to build a new old Merckx because all the old bikes they test keep breaking??
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
embankmentlb is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 08:56 AM
  #4  
MooneyBloke
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 345

Bikes: Two Peter Mooney customs, a 1980 Trek 510 townie, a Marin Stelvio set up for TTs.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 172 Post(s)
Liked 229 Times in 127 Posts
Originally Posted by embankmentlb
They had to build a new old Merckx because all the old bikes they test keep breaking??
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
Agree. I'm using a 43yo Trek for a commuter, and I'm not kind to it. It soldiers on just fine. Unless someone's using parts established in a failure mode (e.g. cranks/stems/BBs with a fracture or rims with spoke hole cracking), I can't really see a vintage bike breaking much provided good maintenance and an absence of serious crashes. While perhaps a bit more recent, there are plenty of videos about Lemond era pro bikes that have been ridden hard, but survive just fine.

Last edited by MooneyBloke; 03-22-23 at 10:52 AM.
MooneyBloke is offline  
Likes For MooneyBloke:
Old 03-22-23, 10:19 AM
  #5  
shoota 
Senior Member
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 8,073
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1847 Post(s)
Liked 662 Times in 448 Posts
I know which one looks better...
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 11:47 AM
  #6  
Trakhak
Senior Member
 
Trakhak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 4,398
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1877 Post(s)
Liked 2,128 Times in 1,199 Posts
Originally Posted by shoota
I know which one looks better...
I spend decades on lugged steel racing bikes, but I have to admit that I admire the current shark-like speedy look of carbon and aluminum bikes. Spindly steel bikes such as that Merckx are starting to look a bit like antiques to me.
Trakhak is online now  
Likes For Trakhak:
Old 03-22-23, 12:30 PM
  #7  
Bad Lag
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: So Cal, for now
Posts: 2,371

Bikes: 1975 Bob Jackson - Nuovo Record, Brooks Pro, Clips & Straps

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1046 Post(s)
Liked 718 Times in 409 Posts
I did not need to watch the video. I already knew what he was going to say. He provided no new information, no new insights. The video is mostly "glam shots" of the two bikes rolling along.

Tires are important. Check!

He is not accustomed to down tube shifters. Check!

More gear ratios are better than fewer when climbing. Check.

He likes the brifter/disk brake bikes he is accustomed to. Check!

Oh well, if the roads dry off a bit, I think I will go for a ride on my 50 year old, steel-framed bike equipped with 2X5 gearing and Campagnolo Nuovo Record components.

I love riding this bike.
Bad Lag is offline  
Likes For Bad Lag:
Old 03-22-23, 12:54 PM
  #8  
rccardr 
aka: Dr. Cannondale
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7,655

Bikes: Pegoretti, Merckx ProSLX, Pelizzoli, Cannondale, Schwinn Tempo, Canyon, Richard Sachs, Davidson

Mentioned: 226 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2082 Post(s)
Liked 3,050 Times in 1,093 Posts
Got the impression that this was a way to showcase/write off the custom build he had done. Certainly no need to ‘build a new bike’ in order to produce this bit of fluff.
I like GCN for the race coverage and expert conversation shows, but these silly bits leave me cold.
__________________
Hard at work in the Secret Underground Laboratory...
rccardr is offline  
Likes For rccardr:
Old 03-22-23, 01:24 PM
  #9  
joesch
Senior Member
 
joesch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hotel CA / DFW
Posts: 1,619

Bikes: 83 Colnago Super, 87 50th Daccordi, 79 & 87 Guerciotti's, 90s DB/GT Mtn Bikes, 90s Colnago Master and Titanio, 96 Serotta Colorado TG, 95/05 Colnago C40/C50, 06 DbyLS TI, 08 Lemond Filmore FG SS, 12 Cervelo R3, 20/15 Surly Stragler & Steamroller

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 565 Post(s)
Liked 673 Times in 441 Posts
Very likely and Simon is not even a masher and was able to produce as much power with the classic steel setup and beat the time of the new ALU with bigger gears. Im pretty sure which bike most of us would choose and not even a choice for me
joesch is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 02:13 PM
  #10  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,608

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 509 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3108 Post(s)
Liked 3,473 Times in 1,321 Posts
I'm surprised they didn't do a downhill test so they could talk about how much better disc brakes are. They've done some other videos where they "proved" that, but I'd be curious how cheap mechanical disc brakes compare to vintage brakes. I've been fairly unimpressed with most of the mechanical disc brakes I've tried.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Likes For Andy_K:
Old 03-22-23, 03:07 PM
  #11  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,082

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 257 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4142 Post(s)
Liked 5,414 Times in 3,151 Posts
These seem to be nothing more than to continue to push the latest low skill or otherwise tech so the C+V stuff if further disparaged and not cool enough for the masses anymore.

Cartridge, threadless, plug and play, disposable, throwaway, profit at all costs mentality continuing to steamroll anything that gets in its way.
merziac is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 03:08 PM
  #12  
52telecaster
ambulatory senior
 
52telecaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Peoria Il
Posts: 6,030

Bikes: Austro Daimler modified by Gugie! Raleigh Professional and lots of other bikes.

Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1848 Post(s)
Liked 3,182 Times in 1,474 Posts
I also don't know why at least a 26 tooth freewheel couldn't have been used. I mean really 41 tooth chain ring as well.

Were it my bike it would probably be sporting half step and granny but then he would have really had a hard time shifting.
52telecaster is offline  
Likes For 52telecaster:
Old 03-22-23, 03:45 PM
  #13  
embankmentlb
Senior Member
 
embankmentlb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,361

Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 141 Posts
This and similar video magazines are in biz to make money. Not much point in promoting second hand or antique parts. The only reason we see any vintage content at all is for the drama content. Maybe to show bit of cycling history.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
embankmentlb is offline  
Likes For embankmentlb:
Old 03-22-23, 03:51 PM
  #14  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,082

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 257 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4142 Post(s)
Liked 5,414 Times in 3,151 Posts
Originally Posted by 52telecaster
I also don't know why at least a 26 tooth freewheel couldn't have been used. I mean really 41 tooth chain ring as well.

Were it my bike it would probably be sporting half step and granny but then he would have really had a hard time shifting.
You mean you can't just blindly set it, forget it and have it work flawlessly from now on?
merziac is offline  
Likes For merziac:
Old 03-22-23, 04:43 PM
  #15  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 15,693

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8971 Post(s)
Liked 10,024 Times in 5,101 Posts
Originally Posted by 52telecaster
I also don't know why at least a 26 tooth freewheel couldn't have been used. I mean really 41 tooth chain ring as well.

Were it my bike it would probably be sporting half step and granny but then he would have really had a hard time shifting.
Because he was trying to compare a top-level racing bike from 1969 to a modern low-end road bike.
What you're proposing would be a different comparison.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Old 03-22-23, 04:47 PM
  #16  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 15,693

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8971 Post(s)
Liked 10,024 Times in 5,101 Posts
Originally Posted by embankmentlb
They had to build a new old Merckx because all the old bikes they test keep breaking??
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
A couple times they've taken "museum" bikes out and had problems, most of which have to do with things like old tires and such.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Old 03-22-23, 05:01 PM
  #17  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 16,794
Mentioned: 461 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3612 Post(s)
Liked 5,864 Times in 2,363 Posts
Uh, I watched the video: the custom-built steel framed bike outperformed the alu modern one. Isn’t that a good outcome for the C&V inclined?
nlerner is offline  
Likes For nlerner:
Old 03-22-23, 05:51 PM
  #18  
uncle uncle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: south kansas america
Posts: 1,903

Bikes: too many

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 410 Post(s)
Liked 216 Times in 136 Posts
Where was the comparison of parking your bikes outside the local coffee shop or pub, near your outside table, and seeing which bicycle gets you the most, "hey... nice bike" comments? You say that's just a measure of vanity? Well, isn't having a new super bicycle, one that's way over-blinged for your actual racing accomplishments, just a measure of vanity too? Really, just ride whatever makes you the happiest, the bike that inspires you to ride more.. because it should be about the fun, and not the performance.
uncle uncle is offline  
Likes For uncle uncle:
Old 03-22-23, 06:17 PM
  #19  
Atlas Shrugged
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,370
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked 1,043 Times in 530 Posts
Originally Posted by embankmentlb
This and similar video magazines are in biz to make money. Not much point in promoting second hand or antique parts. The only reason we see any vintage content at all is for the drama content. Maybe to show bit of cycling history.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
Or in other words 99% of active sport cyclists even those who owned those so called vintage bikes when they were new, if still cycling ride modern bikes. Some may still own a collectors piece and put in the odd mile but if a serious ride is done itís done on a modern bike. Itís not some conspiracy just like a modern car is vastly superior to one built in the 70ís.
Atlas Shrugged is online now  
Old 03-22-23, 06:40 PM
  #20  
jon c. 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 4,666
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1463 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 867 Times in 479 Posts
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Itís not some conspiracy just like a modern car is vastly superior to one built in the 70ís.
Modern cars are vastly superior because they last much longer. It never ceases to amaze me, The durability of cars built in the 70s was terrible. That's not an issue for bikes from the 70s.
jon c. is offline  
Likes For jon c.:
Old 03-22-23, 06:48 PM
  #21  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,608

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 509 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3108 Post(s)
Liked 3,473 Times in 1,321 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Uh, I watched the video: the custom-built steel framed bike outperformed the alu modern one. Isnít that a good outcome for the C&V inclined?
It did, and then Si's expert opinion based on this test was that the cheap new bike is better for most people. This isn't really a surprise. People shouldn't take GCN's fluff pieces too seriously.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Likes For Andy_K:
Old 03-22-23, 07:36 PM
  #22  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 16,794
Mentioned: 461 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3612 Post(s)
Liked 5,864 Times in 2,363 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K
It did, and then Si's expert opinion based on this test was that the cheap new bike is better for most people. This isn't really a surprise. People shouldn't take GCN's fluff pieces too seriously.
Well, considering the Merckx replica was a custom, hand-made steel frame, heís probably right.
nlerner is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 07:45 PM
  #23  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,608

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 509 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3108 Post(s)
Liked 3,473 Times in 1,321 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Well, considering the Merckx replica was a custom, hand-made steel frame, heís probably right.
Yeah, probably so. Even if it were a typical vintage bike with the same configuration, most people would probably prefer the cheap new bike.

Perhaps he should have said, "In conclusion, this whole test was pointless."
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 08:05 PM
  #24  
embankmentlb
Senior Member
 
embankmentlb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,361

Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Or in other words 99% of active sport cyclists even those who owned those so called vintage bikes when they were new, if still cycling ride modern bikes. Some may still own a collectors piece and put in the odd mile but if a serious ride is done itís done on a modern bike. Itís not some conspiracy just like a modern car is vastly superior to one built in the 70ís.
I imagine that is true. 99% of people do prefer modern equipment for the convenience. The 1% would disagree. They would argue that new is not superior at all and is in fact not all that great based on the things that matter to them.
A proud 1%er here!
embankmentlb is offline  
Old 03-22-23, 08:51 PM
  #25  
Chr0m0ly 
Senior Member
 
Chr0m0ly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Back in Lincoln Sq, Chicago...🙄
Posts: 1,658

Bikes: '84 Miyata 610 Ď91 Cannondale ST600,'83 Trek 720 Ď84 Trek 520, 620, Ď91 Miyata 1000LT, '79 Trek 514, '78 Trek 706, '73 Raleigh Int. frame.

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 667 Post(s)
Liked 344 Times in 207 Posts
I havenít watched this video, but I did see the one where they took a vintage racer out of museum and had to throw a new rear wheel on the back. (Or maybe this is that video?)

But they complained about the brakes without replacing the 50 year old pads, and complained about the shifting without practicing on the down tubes at all, and complained about the toeclips, also without bothering to familiarize themselves with their use. Same with the old rubber on the tiresÖ

if your testers donít have the ability to use the equipment, the test is just fluff. Iíve used brifters exactly once while test riding a tandem I was thinking about buying. I kept reaching for nonexistent down tube shifters. I donít fault the brifters for my riding habits.
Chr0m0ly is offline  
Likes For Chr0m0ly:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.