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Old 03-24-23, 11:54 AM
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Help with frame ID please

I canít post photos yet since Iím a new member so Iíll do my best to describe what I have:

Iím in Eugene OR

At a garage sale I found a gorgeous sparkly copper framed bike, painted by Joe Bell. it has your ďstandardĒ road/touring geometry with a level top tube. It has double braze ons at both front & rear dropouts. Rear dropouts say Brev Campagnolo on them. Lugs are all Nervex. It has diamond-shaped bottle cage mounts on both the top and bottom of the down tube.

The head badge is interesting and what Iím hoping will be the identifier: itís either engraved, brazed or cast into the head tube, not attached with glue or pins from what I can tell. It is a slightly raised ovalised circle with a debossed capital C with a serif at the top.

Other than that it has campy brakes, brake levers, simplex teardrop downtube shifters, a Suntour Cyclone GT rear derailleur, campy front derailleur, Sanyo Dynapower bottom bracket dynamo, and a perforated triple ring crank from stronglite.

Iím happy to try and email/DM photos if it helps.

Thanks yíall!!!

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Old 03-24-23, 12:31 PM
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slightly earlier than may appear at first glance

has been the recipient of work

rapier pattern chain stays pretty much rule out a non-anglophone origin


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Old 03-24-23, 12:50 PM
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sure would like to see more pix, especially of the head tube/"badge" but I cannot open that link to the OP's gallery (assuming there are more than just these 2 shots).
What I can see is: don't recognize that serial number series (but somebody might) however the features I can (maybe) ID make me think it's a custom built touring rig, does it have SHORT Campy DOs (1010B) which may place it in circa very late 1970s to 1980s?
is that a Stronglight BB and what is the threading of it?
For that matter is there anything FR such as the HS threading, stem or handlebars?
I think OP may be describing Mavic Simplex Retrofriction shifters....is the rear 126 (6-SP spacing)?

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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
sure would like to see more pix, especially of the head tube/"badge" but I cannot open that link to the OP's gallery
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Thanks for that pic, cb400Bill: it's too low-res to be sure of much but could be a custom brass piece maybe brazed-on the head tube and again reinforces the notion this is a custom frame or one that's been re-worked (as well as re-painted).
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It's interesting that it has bottle bosses under the downtube but none on the seattube.



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The long number has the right number of digits to be a previous owner's SSN, right?
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
sure would like to see more pix, especially of the head tube/"badge" but I cannot open that link to the OP's gallery (assuming there are more than just these 2 shots).
What I can see is: don't recognize that serial number series (but somebody might) however the features I can (maybe) ID make me think it's a custom built touring rig, does it have SHORT Campy DOs (1010B) which may place it in circa very late 1970s to 1980s?
is that a Stronglight BB and what is the threading of it?
For that matter is there anything FR such as the HS threading, stem or handlebars?
I think OP may be describing Mavic Retrofriction shifters....is the rear 126 (6-SP spacing)?
There are more photos but I donít know how to help show them.

I think it has the short dropouts from what images online show comparing the 1010A vs B.

couldnít tell you anything about the BB, havenít opened her up at all.

rear is indeed 6spd, and I was told from a local shop that they are desirable ďteardropĒ simplex shifters. I donít see simplex on them, but I do see it on the seat tube retaining nut thingy.
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Old 03-24-23, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rystjohn View Post
There are more photos but I don’t know how to help show them.






I wonder if any non-French builder would build such a French bike.

No proof, but the font used on the headset is similar to one used on Currys

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Old 03-24-23, 09:27 PM
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There was a builder named Calvert in Eugene in the 70's and 80's--maybe you have one of his?
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Now those are more like the pix we need, thanks Lattz ! But still can't see what the DOs are but there are certainly interesting (and custom builder) details such as the umbrella pump clip brazed on! Two eyelets on the forkends, "whaletail" Nervex Pro headlugs with the reinforcing flanges, the internal wiring for dynamo and F&R lighting.
I do think that first line of "serial numbers" could well be (the owner's) SSN as himespau surmises, but what are the others?

Rystjohn what size seatpost?

Also Mea Culpa: I called these retrofriction shift levers by the wrong FR brandname, they are Simplex (or perhaps Spidel) the Mavics look entirely different.
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That is a nice frame! I like it a lot, especially the pump umbrella. It would make a very cool randonneuse.

Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
It's interesting that it has bottle bosses under the downtube but none on the seattube.
That is a feature it shares with the Miyata road touring models of the mid-eighties, like the 610 or this 1985 Koga-Miyata Randonneur:

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Old 03-29-23, 08:30 AM
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In the photo that shows the bottom bracket and serial number it looks like there's a groove running down the underside of the down tube. Am I hallucinating?
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In the photo that shows the bottom bracket and serial number it looks like there's a groove running down the underside of the down tube. Am I hallucinating?
Shifter cable with a fair amount of off-focus blur?
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looked carefully and no logical reason for such a groove that size in that place, I'll guess it's a reflection (in shiny paint) of the top tube.
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looked carefully and no logical reason for such a groove that size in that place
That's true. According to Deee-Lite, Groove is in the Heart.
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