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Old 05-11-23, 06:23 PM
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Vitus Frame Quality?

I picked up an old Vitus beam frame with beam attached (Softride type) at a local bike swap. I only wanted the beam, but when I was removing it I was horrified with the head tube frame welding.

It does not look like it has been repainted, but I cannot believe this came out of a factory like this. Maybe the whole frame was repainted and new decals added after the botched weld job?

Were some Vitus frames this bad?





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Holy cow!, those welds look really crude.
Never saw any Vitus frames of any kind, that bad before.
Could maybe someone put Vitus decals on a non Vitis frameset, in this case??
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Is it aluminum? Is that what's going on here? Or steel? Pinholes in either aren't great, but I'm morbidly curious what's actually going on.
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Yes, it is possible it is not a Vitus frame but I googled it and found one fuzzy picture of a Vitus beam frame with that curved top bar.

The frame is steel, but no decal showing the type of tubing.
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Maybe a big strike was brewing up in the Vitus factory when this was welded up....
French workers love to strike..... There' always seem to be a big strike going on over there.
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That weld porosity suggests overheating of the molten metal.
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OK, steel. In that case, I don't know that it's a weld. I think it is a braze. And that means the frame is probably safe to use. There is so much glop on there that it has structural integrity.

When I was first learning to bronze braze, I'd make brazes that looked like that. It is probably plenty strong enough. But it sure is ugly. On my first brazed joints that looked like that, I would go back and file the fillet smooth and then fill in the pinholes and pits with silver, which melts at a lower temp, or even tin-based solder, although this will liquefy in the powder coater's oven.
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
French workers love to strike..... There' always seem to be a big strike going on over there.
Which is why they get 5 weeks/year paid vacation, have a 35h work-week, have a very good health-care system, very good free education....!
Though bad welds may be the price of Liberté, égalité, fraternité.....
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Looks like a very clumsy repair and repaint. Are those painted-over headset cups? It looks like the lower one is now brazed in place.
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Which is why they get 5 weeks/year paid vacation, have a 35h work-week, have a very good health-care system, very good free education....!
Though bad welds may be the price of Liberté, égalité, fraternité.....
We got a ton of Huffys with bad welds here.
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I don't think it is a real vitus, it is just a completely beginner's repair.
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Originally Posted by georges1
I don't think it is a real vitus, it is just a completely beginner's repair.
Weighing it will tell. This looks like a real beast.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
Weighing it will tell. This looks like a real beast.
I think it must be very heavy
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