Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

How much is that Merz in the window….

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

How much is that Merz in the window….

Old 05-29-23, 01:53 PM
  #26  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,181

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 269 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4551 Post(s)
Liked 6,509 Times in 3,734 Posts
Originally Posted by himespau
Buying: Tandem is one bike
Selling: Tandem is two bikes

Isn't that the rule that we all know? I think it might be engraved in stone somewhere.
It's certainly the one we should be going with on this.
merziac is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 02:45 PM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 1,378

Bikes: a couple

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 563 Post(s)
Liked 869 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
2X, period.
One frame, one pair of wheels one set of derailleurs, one fork, if anything 1.5 bikes or a commuter special.
Schweinhund is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 03:06 PM
  #28  
blahblahblah chrome moly
 
bulgie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,044
Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1208 Post(s)
Liked 2,661 Times in 1,108 Posts
Originally Posted by Portlandjim
I gave him the bike, he never even said thanks. Many years later he tried to sell it back to me! What a jerk.
I've got one: I made Sprint bikes for Ken Carpenter, which he used to win, I forget, at least 3 or 4 National championships, and raced in two Olympic games. Jim might remember those, because they said "Specialized" on them... at first. Later after he switched sponsors, the same frames were painted to look like titanium and said Merlin on them! We got paid to make them, by Big S who were his bike sponsors at the time. Ken is not the jerk in this story, he was great to work with.

Then a guy who came in second to Ken a few times decided that what Ken had, that he didn't have, was a frame made by me. He came to us and we agreed to make him a frame for free. I don't know if there was a signed contract, but the understanding was that he had to race on it exclusively. He had us paint it in a fade from silver to gold, get it? Well, then he got a better offer from Cannondale, not just free bike but cash money as well, so next thing we know he's racing a Can o' Ale. We asked for our frame back and he declined. We did get it back, but it invlolved a court order and the Sherriff taking possession of it.

Later that guy had a spectacular crash at Nationals in the Tandem Sprint when the fork crown on his tandem blew apart. The crown had been made of thin pieces of sheetmetal that looked like a nice solid crown until it blew open and you could see how shoddily it had been made. Pretty sure I heard he sued the bike maker. So glad we weren't associated with that jerk anymore. He shoulda had me make his tandem, mine don't break! But he burned that bridge. Can't say I shed a tear about his nasty crash, which seemed a bit like karma.

Apologies if I've gotten any of these memories wrong or mixed up. Best not to name names since I've landed on my head a few times and don't trust my memory.

Mark B
bulgie is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 03:11 PM
  #29  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 1,378

Bikes: a couple

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 563 Post(s)
Liked 869 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by bulgie
. Can't say I shed a tear about his nasty crash, which seemed a bit like karma.

Mark B
Indeed. Sometimes, just sometimes, people get what they have coming to them.
Schweinhund is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 04:08 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,181

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 269 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4551 Post(s)
Liked 6,509 Times in 3,734 Posts
Originally Posted by Schweinhund
One frame, one pair of wheels one set of derailleurs, one fork, if anything 1.5 bikes or a commuter special.
2 riders is all that matters, would take 2 bikes to replace it, period.
merziac is offline  
Likes For merziac:
Old 05-29-23, 04:15 PM
  #31  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 1,378

Bikes: a couple

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 563 Post(s)
Liked 869 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
period.
PERIOD!!!

hahahaahaha! If I cut it in half to make two bikes, what parts will I need?
Schweinhund is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 05:25 PM
  #32  
Senior Member
 
Pcampeau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 939

Bikes: 1968 Raleigh Super Course, 1972 Raleigh Professional, 1975 Raleigh International, 1978 Raleigh Professional, 1985 Raleigh Prestige, 1972 Schwinn Paramount, 1980 Schwinn Voyageur 11.8, 1960 Carlton Franco Suisse Peugeot PX10, 1972 Motobecane Le Champ

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 324 Post(s)
Liked 691 Times in 351 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
2 riders is all that matters, would take 2 bikes to replace it, period.
Just to be clear, under this definition a BMX bike with foot pegs that someone occasionally stands on is 2 bikes.
Pcampeau is offline  
Likes For Pcampeau:
Old 05-29-23, 05:33 PM
  #33  
señor miembro
 
SurferRosa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 6,668

Bikes: '70s - '80s Campagnolo

Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3926 Post(s)
Liked 6,574 Times in 3,256 Posts
A tandem is a lot less than one good bike, but takes up the space of two.
SurferRosa is offline  
Likes For SurferRosa:
Old 05-29-23, 05:47 PM
  #34  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: SF Peninsula
Posts: 418

Bikes: 1986 Centurion Ironman, 1997 Trek 2120, Trek T1000

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 138 Post(s)
Liked 208 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by himespau
Buying: Tandem is one bike
Selling: Tandem is two bikes
This.
Well known us the cycling community. Feel free to quote us.
​​​​​
tgot is offline  
Likes For tgot:
Old 05-29-23, 07:04 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,443

Bikes: Cuevas Custom, Cimmaron, 1988 "Pinalized Rockma", 1984 Trek 510, Moulton custom touring, Raleigh Competition GS, Bridgestone Mb-2 & 3, 1980's Peugeot - US, City, & Canyon Express (6)

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1154 Post(s)
Liked 3,960 Times in 1,936 Posts
If I am following the "Logic" that makes this Rodriguez 4 bikes?

SoCaled is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 07:18 PM
  #36  
señor miembro
 
SurferRosa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 6,668

Bikes: '70s - '80s Campagnolo

Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3926 Post(s)
Liked 6,574 Times in 3,256 Posts
^ I never wanted to take off my cowboy boots either!
SurferRosa is offline  
Likes For SurferRosa:
Old 05-29-23, 07:23 PM
  #37  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,181

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 269 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4551 Post(s)
Liked 6,509 Times in 3,734 Posts
Originally Posted by SoCaled
If I am following the "Logic" that makes this Rodriguez 4 bikes?

Would there be any other way for all four to ride together without 2 tandems or 1 tandem and 2 singles?

Yes, 4 singles.
merziac is offline  
Likes For merziac:
Old 05-29-23, 07:28 PM
  #38  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,443

Bikes: Cuevas Custom, Cimmaron, 1988 "Pinalized Rockma", 1984 Trek 510, Moulton custom touring, Raleigh Competition GS, Bridgestone Mb-2 & 3, 1980's Peugeot - US, City, & Canyon Express (6)

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1154 Post(s)
Liked 3,960 Times in 1,936 Posts
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
^ I never wanted to take off my cowboy boots either!
Totally missed the boots, classy.
SoCaled is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 07:31 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,181

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 269 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4551 Post(s)
Liked 6,509 Times in 3,734 Posts
Originally Posted by SoCaled
Totally missed the boots, classy.
Giddy up.
merziac is offline  
Old 05-29-23, 09:22 PM
  #40  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 918

Bikes: 1964(?) Frejus Tour de France, 1967(?) Dawes Double Blue, 1979 Trek 710, 1982 Claud Butler Dalesman, 1983 Schwinn Paramount Elite, 2014 Brompton, maybe a couple more

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 313 Post(s)
Liked 680 Times in 332 Posts
I am with velomateo - the relevant math is how much space it takes up. Tandems are the worst - they don't fit in any space that was intended for a bike. At the co-op we do whatever we can to get rid of them.
albrt is offline  
Likes For albrt:
Old 05-30-23, 12:26 AM
  #41  
Senior Member
 
P!N20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wurundjeri Country
Posts: 2,483
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1087 Post(s)
Liked 1,915 Times in 936 Posts
Originally Posted by Robvolz
Is there an engineering advantage to having it on the chain stay bridge?
Don't think so, there was some vague idea that it was more aero due to being behind the BB shell and cranks, etc. Pretty optimistic that it would make any difference.

The downside is, as you observed, it gets its fair share of road gunk. Guess that's not the end of the world in a time trial.

It's something that still finds its way onto modern frames.
P!N20 is offline  
Likes For P!N20:
Old 05-30-23, 04:22 AM
  #42  
Edumacator
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 7,041

Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, 1990 VanTuyl, 1980s Losa, 1985 Trek 670, 1982 AD SLE, 1987 PX10, etc...

Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2524 Post(s)
Liked 3,320 Times in 2,083 Posts
My question is did you get it?
__________________
1987 Crest Cannondale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin Performance EL, 1990ish Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Competition, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 Cannondale M500, 1984 Mercian, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi (model unknown), 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh International, 1998 Corratec Ap & Dun, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone













jdawginsc is offline  
Old 05-30-23, 05:24 AM
  #43  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 333
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 195 Post(s)
Liked 234 Times in 141 Posts
Last time I decided to splurge my wife told me to get a job or return it. So got a job I did. Since then I've spent about another 5k on boards and bindings and another like 8k on snow gear and trips. All cause of a $450 snowboard I bought like 5 months ago soo jokes on her =D
DonkeyShow is offline  
Likes For DonkeyShow:
Old 05-30-23, 06:44 AM
  #44  
Senior Member
 
fender1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Berwyn PA
Posts: 6,413

Bikes: I hate bikes!

Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
Liked 731 Times in 236 Posts
Originally Posted by jdawginsc
My question is did you get it?
If it is like most of these posts, no.
fender1 is offline  
Old 05-30-23, 11:45 AM
  #45  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 2,066

Bikes: several Eddy Merz (ride like Eddy, braze like Jim!)

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1141 Post(s)
Liked 2,031 Times in 725 Posts
I got it.

Now I need to read up on Japanese parts.

Unless Shimano is going to sponsor me, that TT sticker has to go.
__________________
"Leave the gun. Take the Colnagos."
Robvolz is offline  
Likes For Robvolz:
Old 05-30-23, 01:10 PM
  #46  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 12,091
Mentioned: 201 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3034 Post(s)
Liked 3,922 Times in 1,433 Posts
Originally Posted by alexihnen
Well, that’s good and bad. I don’t think I could change anything about it.
Well, I'm no expert, but by adding wheels, it will roll better.
iab is offline  
Likes For iab:
Old 05-30-23, 01:12 PM
  #47  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 2,066

Bikes: several Eddy Merz (ride like Eddy, braze like Jim!)

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1141 Post(s)
Liked 2,031 Times in 725 Posts
Originally Posted by alexihnen
Well, that’s good and bad. I don’t think I could change anything about it.
feel free to do absolutely anything you want to the bicycles you own. I will never quibble or question your judgment.
__________________
"Leave the gun. Take the Colnagos."
Robvolz is offline  
Old 05-30-23, 01:44 PM
  #48  
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,181

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 269 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4551 Post(s)
Liked 6,509 Times in 3,734 Posts
Originally Posted by Robvolz
I got it.

Now I need to read up on Japanese parts.

Unless Shimano is going to sponsor me, that TT sticker has to go.
Fantastic!

I would reserve full judgement on the sticker, it is a part of Jims involvement and history with them at the time, he was instrumental in the launch of those groups.

Shimano Dura Ace AX crank question



Shimano Dura Ace AX crank question

merziac is offline  
Likes For merziac:
Old 05-30-23, 01:49 PM
  #49  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 2,066

Bikes: several Eddy Merz (ride like Eddy, braze like Jim!)

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1141 Post(s)
Liked 2,031 Times in 725 Posts
so pretty without the sticker
__________________
"Leave the gun. Take the Colnagos."
Robvolz is offline  
Likes For Robvolz:
Old 05-30-23, 02:29 PM
  #50  
Cantilever believer
 
RCMoeur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,650
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 564 Post(s)
Liked 1,945 Times in 875 Posts
Originally Posted by iab
Well, I'm no expert, but by adding wheels, it will roll better.
Well, that's your opinion. Elitist.



__________________
Richard C. Moeur, PE - Phoenix AZ, USA
https://www.richardcmoeur.com/bikestuf.html
RCMoeur is offline  
Likes For RCMoeur:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.