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One grainy photo, Cinelli-type seatlug, seller says it's Japanese?

Old 09-19-23, 05:12 PM
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One grainy photo, Cinelli-type seatlug, seller says it's Japanese?

Well, this one is my size, dammit.

No window in the seatlug, top of the seat-tube is a saddle, has top-tube brake guides, bottle bosses with reinforcing plates, top-of-bb gear cable guides.

Trying to arrange a meet and see, what am I going to be looking at?


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Windsor Profesional? (Link)
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Dammit, my size too!
Mid 70's SC? Steerer for tubing ID? Everything else?.

Or a Windsor Pro!

Good luck!

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Windsor Profesional? (Link)
I wondered that too - but no chainstay dimples (so it appears).
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Seller sent me some more pics - this one tells all:




So is this run away, or run to the bank?
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Buy now, ask questions later.
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there is a Takahashi Press which is a maker of lugs

wonder if this marque related...or just one of a great many Takahashis in Nippon...

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The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle

a few sannow threads on here
looks cool!
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Buy now, ask questions later.
That's what got us into this whole N+1 mess in the first place...
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I would check rear triangle width, bring a set of wheels to assess the clearances, reach, brake fixation type. Light to review a seat tube insert, the downtube lug has a very extended tang.
My hunch in the spirit of Cinelli, but of what era?
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Originally Posted by oneclick
Seller sent me some more pics - this one tells all:




So is this run away, or run to the bank?
Run to the bank, then GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!

Long told tales of the Japanese copying Cinelli but mostly myth, till now.
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I went all in for the '67 Sannow

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Looks like a nice frame. Most likely built by Miki - the serial number should have an M prefix (and most likely have four tear drop shaped cutouts in the bb shell). If it fits and the price is right, I'd definitely get it.


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Well, this one is my size, dammit.

No window in the seatlug, top of the seat-tube is a saddle, has top-tube brake guides, bottle bosses with reinforcing plates, top-of-bb gear cable guides.

Trying to arrange a meet and see, what am I going to be looking at?


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Sannow was a high quality brand in Japan, and that frame has elements of a top-end model. Good find and yes, run to the bank. Its not going to be worth a ton to American collectors because the marque is rare here, but as vintage Japanese steel goes, its up there with the greats.
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Sannow certainly made some track frames (mostly as "Eminenza" models) which could have been certified for Keirin racing (NJS) but not certain about that.
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I checked last night and the two Sannow road bikes (complete bikes, not frame sets) on Yahoo JP auctions were both priced at well over $1000 each.
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Yes on buy! Self serving as I want some better pics once you pick it up-

But seriously -
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I don't know about the blue one but the red one takes a 27.0 seatpost and is made of D&D or DD double butted tubing. It's been a while since I looked at that one.
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