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WilliamT 10-09-23 04:44 PM

Help with 57 Bianchi headset
 
I recently picked up this 57 Bianchi and the headset has a little play in it. I wanted to tighten it up, but I don't see the traditional 2 lock nuts.
Anyone how to tighen this headset?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb27f62314.jpg
thank you.

mackgoo 10-09-23 04:54 PM

I'm pretty sure it's the knurled nut on the top. I forget, there may be some set screws. if that's the case make sure you loosen.

iab 10-09-23 05:00 PM

See the bolt with the B on it? That is a clamp-on headset. Popular with track bikes, Bianchi and several English bikes.

Loosen the B bolt. Screw down the the knurled nut until the play is gone. Tighten B bolt. Give the knurled nut just a bit more turn and Bob's yer uncle.

merziac 10-09-23 05:15 PM

And proceed with caution, overhaul should be on the table to gain familiarity and understanding given the question.

This is a great opportunity to gain some knowledge you may never use again and make sure this lives on as it should. ;)

WilliamT 10-09-23 05:31 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...907512ccc4.jpg
the screws have holes on opposite ends so I think there is a special tool need for turning these. The top one I got off with a pipe wrench wrapped in cloth. I was able to move the clamp up a little.

juvela 10-09-23 05:36 PM

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Park and other tool manufacturers make a pin tool which fits the horizontal holes in the locknut

here is the fellow from VAR for example, Nr. 13

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dda270fa59.jpg



use of such a tool prevents galling of the knurling on the lock nut which occurs with use of pump pliers/channelock

should you wish to repack at some point set uses 1/8" ball



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merziac 10-09-23 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by juvela (Post 23038346)
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Park and other tool manufacturers make a pin tool which fits the horizontal holes in the locknut

here is the fellow from VAR for example, Nr. 13

use of such a tool prevents galling of the knurling on the lock nut which occurs with use of pump pliers/channelock

should you wish to repack at some point set uses 1/8" ball

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IME, a scrap of stout leather or nylon/plastic can provide some buffer for the pliers if applied judicially. ;)

iab 10-09-23 06:00 PM

You can go with the tool juvela posted, for a small fortune. Or, a plumber's strap wrench does the job. The top nut does not need to ne much more than finger tight.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...930a5cbcb6.jpg

bikingshearer 10-09-23 06:21 PM

The VAR 13 ([pictured below on the left) is a great tool for the job (I have used it successfully with old Bianchi built-in headsets), but I don't think it is made anymore. They can be had on eBay, but are often spendy. [utag=458869]WilliamT, if you buy one, make 100% sure it has the two little screw-in pins. They can moved from being parallel (for adjustable BB cups - you can see the holes for this position in the photo) to pointing towards each other (perfect for the little holes in the headset cup/race and knurled top nut.) The tool is worthless without them. The wing nut allows for a wide range of adjustability.

VAR also made a purpose-designed set of pliers to use on the knurled nut while the VAR 13 was used on the cup/race. The pliers are pictured below on the right. I've used those, too, but they really aren't any better than using a pair of channel-lock pliers (with a rag to avoid leaving "scars"). The strap wrench shown by iab would probably work at least as well with less risk of surface damage to the knurled nut.

I think the best thing about the VAR tools actually is their appearance. Their is a certain Gallic, funky, almost rustic charm to them, at least to my eye

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89d9d2c4ea.jpg

WilliamT 10-09-23 06:23 PM

Ok, I was able to remove all the upper parts and I used use a pick and hammer to tap the nut over a little more; just enough so there is no play.
(I would like to eventually look for that tool. I have a few of the park tools for the bottom bracket, freewheel, some spanner wrenches, etc. but nothing that clamps the headset with just 2 pins).

One tool that helped a lot was using retaining ring pliers to expand the clamp so I could slide it out of the way
SPEEDWOX 2 Pcs Special Ring Retaining Ring Pliers Set Lock Ring Pliers Flat for Removing Installing Gearshift Locking Rings Angle Tip Circlip Plier Automobile Transmission Clutch Tool Fathers Day Gift - Amazon.com

Anyways, its back together and on to the next task; the brakes which are side pull univerals so that should be easy.

Replyhttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2db1302abb.jpg

iab 10-09-23 06:51 PM

I do love a Bianchi Gran Sport. Classy bike. I just wish they made them something other than 54cm. Just too small for me.

merziac 10-09-23 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by WilliamT (Post 23038387)
Ok, I was able to remove all the upper parts and I used use a pick and hammer to tap the nut over a little more; just enough so there is no play.
(I would like to eventually look for that tool. I have a few of the park tools for the bottom bracket, freewheel, some spanner wrenches, etc. but nothing that clamps the headset with just 2 pins).

One tool that helped a lot was using retaining ring pliers to expand the clamp so I could slide it out of the way
SPEEDWOX 2 Pcs Special Ring Retaining Ring Pliers Set Lock Ring Pliers Flat for Removing Installing Gearshift Locking Rings Angle Tip Circlip Plier Automobile Transmission Clutch Tool Fathers Day Gift - Amazon.com

Anyways, its back together and on to the next task; the brakes which are side pull univerals so that should be easy.

Replyhttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2db1302abb.jpg

What a great score, well done. :thumb:

WilliamT 11-11-23 08:29 AM

I ended up getting a Park SPA-3 tool on ebay and filed it down. Now its super easy to adjust

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6543d00359.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea85b11df1.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8798818f8e.jpg

Bianchigirll 11-11-23 08:43 AM

Nice looking Bianchi, digging the mudguards. The CdI in the background looks nice too.

JohnDThompson 11-11-23 08:57 AM

Ideally, the VAR #13 or the unobtanium Campagnolo #772. Practically, just grasping the knurled nut, by hand or with a slip-jaw pliers ought to work.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2fd113bfc6.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7deabe2b10.jpg


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