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Old 10-26-23, 12:54 PM
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Help ID this bike

Lower level campy goods
interesting stem
reg (Italian) cable guides

chrome under paint I imagine, because the finish is crap. Look at the seat stays!!

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Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, by Teodoro Carnielli

early 1970's

six pointed star may indicate it was licensed in Berkeley, California

crown is Agrati BRIANZA pattern N. 000.8028


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Thank you so much

can you expand on the “license in Berkeley”

Does that mean it was a special order for the Berkeley shop?

also, this was originally painted, right?
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Thank you so much

can you expand on the “license in Berkeley”

Does that mean it was a special order for the Berkeley shop?

also, this was originally painted, right?
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yes, originally painted

two most commonly seen finishes are blue flambouyant & opaque white

up until 1977 the state of California had a bicycle licensing system where each municipality which offered bicycle licensing had a symbol for their town which they would stamp into the frame at the time of licensing

the six pointed star was the symbol for the city of Berkeley, California; there were of course hundreds of symbols for a big state such as California

California went to a statewide licensing system in 1977

regardless of where in the state someone licensed their machine they would receive the same blue and silver licensing transfer which said "CALIFORNIA" and was marked with an expiry date

licenses were granted for three years

some communities continued to put in their old municipal symbol and some did not

Berkeley, for example, ceased the licensing of cycles altogether at some point


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Last question, was this a low, a mid or upper end for this brand?

campy bits are lower today. No idea original.

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Giro d'Italia model one down from top, the Professional

the two models employed the same frame

difference was in the kitting



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for readers with an interest in the licensing system described above there is a forum discussion of it here

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/ci...d-this.220222/


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just to muddy up the waters, if this was a Schwinn product (which it is not) there were several frame builder stamps that might be found on the BB shell or other choice spots on handbuilt Schwinn frames. IIRC on of these stamps included the six-pointed star (same as used by City of Berkeley) but there were several others like a horse's head, and an axe...would be interesting if somebody could make a database of which builder employed which symbol...but if that was easy it would already have been done, right?
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