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“Golden Anniversary Ride” bike: 1974 Legnano

Old 01-10-24, 10:31 AM
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for a 1972-1973 date you would want a first generation 3TTT Record model stem

extensions offered in one cm increments on the half cm (i.e. 8.5, 9.5,10.5)

clamp size 26.0mm

if you find a used one with an extension a good size for you but with damaged or missing transfers they are available from the replica transfer vendors





https://bicycledecals.net/collection...oducts/3ttt_01

here is an image of second generation for comparison



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Thanks, and looking through the deep gouges on the OEM (?) bars to decipher the original markings, that's a match... and I just got a reply on my WTB topic that sounds like a good match too, right down to mentioning the triangular decal!

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----- for a 1972-1973 date you would want a first generation 3TTT Record model stem extensions offered in one cm increments on the half cm (i.e. 8.5, 9.5,10.5) clamp size 26.0mm
if you find a used one with an extension a good size for you but with damaged or missing transfers they are available from the replica transfer vendors


https://bicycledecals.net/collection...oducts/3ttt_01
here is an image of second generation for comparison
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sizing tip -

there is somewhat of an "industry standard" for measuring the breadth of drop bars that they are measured centre-to-centre at the trail

3TTT is one manufacturer who doth not follow this standard

they measure overall

so if you should end up ordering a new bar it would be good to keep this in mind


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Originally Posted by tiger1964
I seem to recall about $400, somebody fact-check me on that. None of us were from well-off families and buying any of these would have meant not getting fancy stereo sets, motorbikes, or a used car.... for the moment.
FWIW, a 1973 Paramount was listed in the catalog as selling for $450 (Pretty hefty jump from just a few years earlier). I found the 1974 Schwinn catalog and found Paramounts in it, but could not find a price. So $400 is probably in the right ballpark.
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Originally Posted by juvela
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for a 1972-1973 date you would want a first generation 3TTT Record model stem

extensions offered in one cm increments on the half cm (i.e. 8.5, 9.5,10.5)

clamp size 26.0mm

if you find a used one with an extension a good size for you but with damaged or missing transfers they are available from the replica transfer vendors





https://bicycledecals.net/collection...oducts/3ttt_01

here is an image of second generation for comparison



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there were subtle changes to the 3ttt stem of that era, late 1972 used the Allen key bar fastener, early 1972, a nutted bar closure, 3ttt formed in the keyed forward end and a 7mm Allen quill draw bolt.
1973 Masi bikes used the next generation stem, with Faliero’s signature pantographed in, he had connections.
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The original stem and bars from post 15 above.
3ttt Record Stem 105 RS , on Flickr
3ttt Record Stem 105 LS on Flickr
3ttt HB+Stem on Flickr

I may just buy the decals that wore off.
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since recent posts on the project have been in the vicinity of the cockpit it occurs to that which passeth for me "braine" that a note upon the topic of the Gaslos might not be out of order...

forum members have reported finding them to complete projects at non-astronomical prices via patient looking

so wise not to assume listings are all out of reach

keep a search on file with ebay.it

another resource to check on from time to time is that of subito.it


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After too many sessions, I guess the chrome is about as good as it's going to look. Now the get the paint mixed and the frame sprayed -- I presume I'll be doing the masking of lugs and stays myself.

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since recent posts on the project have been in the vicinity of the cockpit it occurs to that which passeth for me "braine" that a note upon the topic of the Gaslos might not be out of order...
forum members have reported finding them to complete projects at non-astronomical prices via patient looking
so wise not to assume listings are all out of reach
keep a search on file with ebay.it
another resource to check on from time to time is that of subito.it
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Thanks to Classic & Vintage bike forum members “marius.suiram” and “AdventureManCO”, I now have the chosen Universal Super 68 brakes (looking at vintage Legnanos, some seem to have Universal sidepulls and some have Universal centerpulls). I spent some time working on them: (a) fully dismantled, (b) cleaned in Simple Green HP, (c) subjected to a session in the vibratory tumbler with walnut shells to remove oxidation and the like, (d) buffed with Blue Magic metal polish on most parts big enough to hold, (e) coated in Wolfgang Metal Sealant in hopes that the shine will remain once the bike is in use, and (e) reassembly, and applying a thin film of Park Tool grease with a Q-tip to all moving-parts contact points like pivot washers. On the latter, between this lubrication and modern lined cable housing, I am hoping for a smooth-performing set of brakes if not exactly disc-brake stopping power. By the way, the provided brake pads are marked “Fibrax”, I am unsure after looking online if the holders I am looking at will accept Kool-Stop replacement pads or not.

Also, I need few things in rubber/gum like brake hoods. I tried composing a large-ish order from Rustines in France but their website keeps giving me error messages. Hopefully they will answer my e-mail with a solution, or I am going to need an alternative source for Universal and Mafac brake hoods at the very least.

Next stop: assembling the hubs and taking them to get laced up to 700C rims.

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Originally Posted by tiger1964
After too many sessions, I guess the chrome is about as good as it's going to look. Now the get the paint mixed and the frame sprayed -- I presume I'll be doing the masking of lugs and stays myself.



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Originally Posted by tiger1964
Thanks to Classic & Vintage bike forum members “marius.suiram” and “AdventureManCO”, I now have the chosen Universal Super 68 brakes (looking at vintage Legnanos, some seem to have Universal sidepulls and some have Universal centerpulls). I spent some time working on them: (a) fully dismantled, (b) cleaned in Simple Green HP, (c) subjected to a session in the vibratory tumbler with walnut shells to remove oxidation and the like, (d) buffed with Blue Magic metal polish on most parts big enough to hold, (e) coated in Wolfgang Metal Sealant in hopes that the shine will remain once the bike is in use, and (e) reassembly, and applying a thin film of Park Tool grease with a Q-tip to all moving-parts contact points like pivot washers. On the latter, between this lubrication and modern lined cable housing, I am hoping for a smooth-performing set of brakes if not exactly disc-brake stopping power. By the way, the provided brake pads are marked “Fibrax”, I am unsure after looking online if the holders I am looking at will accept Kool-Stop replacement pads or not.

Also, I need few things in rubber/gum like brake hoods. I tried composing a large-ish order from Rustines in France but their website keeps giving me error messages. Hopefully they will answer my e-mail with a solution, or I am going to need an alternative source for Universal and Mafac brake hoods at the very least.

Next stop: assembling the hubs and taking them to get laced up to 700C rims.


Looks like they are in good hands Good luck with the build!
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I had forgotten how much I dislike cutting spokes out of a wheel. There’s possibly a dedicated tool, but I am using a pair of diagonal cutters possibly older than the bike. One wheel, and rest my hands, which are getting quite sore. I thought about the rather nice cable cutter in my toolkit, but I suspect it might not fare well under such use. Both are done, but that ended my efforts for the day.
Built my first wheel in 1965 or 1966, or maybe swapped a new rim onto my existing wheel---I've forgotten which. Lots of built and rebuilt wheels since then, both for customers in my bike store days and for myself, and I'm pretty sure I never cut any spokes out of a wheel, or not more than once or twice.

Never understood the point of cutting spokes. For what: saving (at most) a couple of minutes of work time? Once you've backed the nipples off for the first nine or so, the rest unscrew easily. Assuming stainless steel spokes and undamaged brass spoke nipples, you have a pile of decent reusable parts. (As Jobst Brandt pointed out in his book and elsewhere, stainless steel spokes can be reused more or less forever.)

If there's a chance the wheel builder is going to do more wheels in the future, it's easy to measure, wrap, and label the spokes and nipples and save them for a later wheel build.
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Today was Hub Day. The photo shows them a wee bit rougher in close-up than holding them in my hands. Like the brakes, these were cleaned, buffed by hand with Blue Magic, coated with Wolfgang's, then repacked with Park grease. From 3 feet away, they gleam -- so I need to decide if electric buffing would help, at least around the outside of the flanges, anyway. One front hub locknut actually broke in half upon removal but I cannibalized one from The Wheel Stash. QR levers showed some rust but a white Scotch-Brite, Blue Magic and crumpled foil got them looking nice (and hopefully the Wolfgang's coating keeps the rust at bay); while apart, I put a thin film of grease on the QR's moving parts and they are quite smooth now in operation. Next stop will be taking them to be laced up, I keep reading that the TB14 rim is a nice vintage-look choice in 700C... any reason not to go in that direction?




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----- replicas available at EUR29/pr -
https://www.ebay.it/itm/225264559500...Bk9SR5jmloulYw -----
Those look neat, I'll think it over but I think I am busting the budget already.

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Looks like they are in good hands Good luck with the build!
Again, thanks for the donation -- I'll look further into the various parts bins to see if I have any "pay-it-forward" items.

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Built my first wheel in 1965 or 1966, or maybe swapped a new rim onto my existing wheel---I've forgotten which. Lots of built and rebuilt wheels since then, both for customers in my bike store days and for myself, and I'm pretty sure I never cut any spokes out of a wheel, or not more than once or twice. Never understood the point of cutting spokes.
Fair enough! That said, the wheels were in nasty shape, and several front spokes broken out. Maybe, moving toward, I'll take the time and unscrew spokes instead of cutting -- just had not thought of it.
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