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Old 01-01-24, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
You will find it difficult finding an off the shelf match for Molteni Orange. I have tried several different RAL colors, mixing different shades, but no luck so far.
I chose to polish what I have, and put a couple coats of Collinite Fleet wax on it, and enjoy the battle scars
Yes. I would like to but that is a large patch of straight up rust on the top tube.
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Clean it up, maybe arrest the rust on the top tube, oxalic acid soaked cloths are one way, and let the new owner decide what to do, the offers will be higher than with an attempted paint repair.
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Originally Posted by repechage
Clean it up, maybe arrest the rust on the top tube, oxalic acid soaked cloths are one way, and let the new owner decide what to do, the offers will be higher than with an attempted paint repair.
That is true. Truth be told I have been discouraged as of late with bike painting. I have done maybe 8 complete frame strip and repaints in the past. It is so much more labor intensive than repair and maintenance. While it is rewarding it takes so much more time and effort. And you have to take time in the day for other things like work, eating, a shower, and brushing your teeth. Where does it all end?
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Originally Posted by Jicafold
That is true. Truth be told I have been discouraged as of late with bike painting. I have done maybe 8 complete frame strip and repaints in the past. It is so much more labor intensive than repair and maintenance. While it is rewarding it takes so much more time and effort. And you have to take time in the day for other things like work, eating, a shower, and brushing your teeth. Where does it all end?
The road to H**L, it never ends my friend.
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Any chance you’ve got some pics of the fork tangs, brakes bridge, BB, and dropouts?
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that's a cool frame. I'd keep it a patina'd.
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I brought in a Kessels, a DeRosa and a Colnago to the automotive paint shop thinking it would be a match to the Alfa Orange. Dropped the forks to get non-sun bleached painted surfaces.

It was a perfect match to the Lancia orange.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz

It was a perfect match to the Lancia orange.
That figures: how many Lancias ever show up for a repaint, let alone just show up?
Last one I saw in person was dark blue, happened to live in my 'hood, but despite how popular Italian makes are in SF BayArea (and greater LA) I think I've only seen 4 or 5 Lancias, lifetime total (and not a one in orange).
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here is the link to the research…
I present the official Molteni orange color….
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Originally Posted by AdventureManCO
Any chance you’ve got some pics of the fork tangs, brakes bridge, BB, and dropouts?
Yes. Here are more photos






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Originally Posted by Robvolz
here is the link to the research…
I present the official Molteni orange color….
A color match, maybe. A source for the paint has still not been divulged.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
A color match, maybe. A source for the paint has still not been divulged.
there is a good chance that the
“molteni orange” color back in the 1970’s was actually more than one color. These were sent out for paint. Meet the delivery date or futz with the color.
if one has a paint stripped frame, then choose your physical match to elsewhere.
‘A club mate way back had an opaque orange Colnago, black transfers. It was a darker orange, it was a bit darker than other Colnagos seen at the time.
‘especially darker than the color DeRosa was presenting as “team” orange. Interesting that the importer did not market it as Molteni Orange.

The Eddy Merckx branded Falcons had a different orange also, over the time the shop I worked for sold them, we thought they matched each other.

the automotive industry would paint color coupons and the paint suppliers bought them from the carmaker. They worked diligently to match. Those coupons were treated like gold.
‘always a leg up to the paint supplier who developed a color, as a done deal or with the consult of the carmaker, in that case at least one paint company had THE formula.
In more recent times, Ferrari would have a label with the brand of paint used and the color code the car was originally painted.
‘no such effort in the bike industry. Maybe Trek if one bought one of the custom paint Madone’s.
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Originally Posted by repechage
there is a good chance that the
“molteni orange” color back in the 1970’s was actually more than one color.
Thats always been my conjecture, based on what research I’ve done. The Lancia color does look promising as a starting point, but sourcing the paint here in the states is another issue altogether. While the OP of that other thread may have sourced it, I have had no such luck from my conversations with the company he listed as the source.
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Originally Posted by repechage
I am not suggesting that, I am stating that opaque paint is not that opaque. Often the primer effects the final tone.
the cost of a spray can is noticeable, but not so outrageous as to not purchase and assess at home.
as an example, paint the same color over, white, grey primer and red oxide and there will be different results.

Ferrari restorers have been known to prime the Ferrari red with a pink primer surfacer to match the original as seen on the F40.
As a frame painter, I want to affirm what repechage has said. Most paints have some kind of translucence (in fact some paints are designed to have translucence) and as a result the top color is effected by whatever primer or sealer colors the top color is going over. This is always a consideration when deciding on a final color. When I paint a frame, I choose the primer color. After I sand the primer I apply a sealer. I choose the sealer color. This sealer provides a consistent undercoat color for the color coat. Otherwise one might see the sand throughs in the primer or where spot putty is applied after the primer coats. A sealer also helps the adhesion of the color coats if it is applied within the necessary time window.

Often a painter will use a white sealer or paint to make the top color pop better. I'm a fan of using House of Kolor primers and sealers because they come in the 3 primary colors as well as white and block. The advantage of using them as primer colors is that a scratch is less noticeable.

On the Colnago, it is possible (I think) to see bits of white where the paint is chipped. I don't know if this white was a primer, sealer or undercoat paint color. This is applied to make the orange color have more vibrancy. Using undercoat colors to influence top colors is why finding matching a touch up paint to the original is a super challenging task.
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I think paint could be original as the drop out ‘mouths’ are still chrome.most repaints overspray this .

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Originally Posted by saarf
I think paint could be original as the drop out ‘mouths’ are still chrome.most repaints overspray this .

this site lists a circa ‘73 with same (as
op) drop out detail.




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Originally Posted by satbuilder
Thats always been my conjecture, based on what research I’ve done. The Lancia color does look promising as a starting point, but sourcing the paint here in the states is another issue altogether. While the OP of that other thread may have sourced it, I have had no such luck from my conversations with the company he listed as the source.
Glasurit, which might be marketed as BASF in the USA probably has the color in the library. Glasurit was the premium paint line in Europe.
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