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Old 01-09-24, 02:45 PM
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It appears we have our choice: We can either complain about the ride or we can complain about the complainers. Alas, now we have nothing to complain about.
Rich? Hell yes! I own 12 bicycles.
Spoiled? Also yes. Cino spoiled me.
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Originally Posted by davester
I would say that it's probably because it's a show, not an organized ride.

With that in mind, it sure would be nice if someone could put together a list of US and Canada vintage rides similar to what non-fixie does for European rides. I'd do it except for the fact that I don't know of any other than Cino (and now CR-West). Are there any?
By all accounts, the "organized" ride known as Eroica CA sucks. Riding around the greater Auburn area is quite lovely, so using that excuse does not hold any weight whatsoever.

And here's your list.
CBA
CR West
Cino
Forgot, Rosebowl
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Originally Posted by iab
By all accounts, the "organized" ride known as Eroica CA sucks. Riding around the greater Auburn area is quite lovely, so using that excuse does not hold any weight whatsoever.

And here's your list.
CBA
CR West
Cino
Forgot, Rosebowl
Brian Baylis San Diego Vintage ride- has a number of title variations.
there is a Nor Cal periodic vintage ride as chronicled in the Classic and Vintage forum here.
I am conservative with acronyms - CBA stands for?
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Originally Posted by repechage
Brian Baylis San Diego Vintage ride- has a number of title variations.
there is a Nor Cal periodic vintage ride as chronicled in the Classic and Vintage forum here.
I am conservative with acronyms - CBA stands for?
See post 10.

And in reality, only Cino. The rest are unsupported.
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Acronym decoded

Classic Bikes Auburn

obviously showing my West Coast Bias-
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Nice to know about the Auburn show. As a car kid, I thought Auburns were some of the most beautiful ever. Be great to get a ride going over there. Ridden some in Indiana, but not that far East.
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Originally Posted by HelpSingularity
...I have noticed that folks back east sometimes, really, have no idea just how far things are apart west of the Mississippi

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Hi to all,

There is a thread on the Auburn show. Classic Bicycles Auburn 2024

And there is a post there by "iab" that shares some informal ride routes that seem to be pretty good. "Plenty of unofficial rides. Nothing stopping you and a good coffee joint at the end of your ride,"
Here's a little loop I did - https://ridewithgps.com/routes/40481257
Coffee shop - https://www.9thstreetbrew.com/
"And since I know the roads a bit better, I intend to ride this route, has a rest stop in Kendallville."
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45228527


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Originally Posted by chain_whipped
So, my hats off to those organizers and hope they can make it happen.
Agreed! As a retired event director I can unequivocally say that most people do not understand how much effort it takes to put on a supported cycling event properly. It's so much more than just finding a nice route and inviting people to ride. There are permits, insurance, toilets, volunteers, support vehicles, promotional expenses and local government entities impose their own additional requirements. You've got to have money up front for expenses that you may or may not get back! Many events bring on a charity and operate under their umbrella to avoid taxes and excessive local fees that are imposed on "for profit" events. California is the worst for these issues and that has driven many events away. Yes there are still some successful events in CA but they are the exception to the trend. Being an event director is a crappy job, one that does not compensate adequately for the required effort. Those who have had the responsibility will know!
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The biggest thing I ever organized was a Halloween charity party for a hundred people where we wanted to have a band and sell beers. We got about seventy including the band who didn't pay to come in or pay for their beers. We made about $12. That showed me I am NOT cut out for it. Cheers to anyone who does and extra cheers to anyone who does it well.
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Im an Avid Vintage Cyclist/Collector , It's my passion and has been for many decades now. We have Very few Vintage Events and I try my hardest to support anything and everything Vintage cycling related , and I appreciate the hard work that goes into organizing Vintage Events . What I do not appreciate is people that have Not attended or have Zero interest in attending, Riding, or supporting a Vintage Event ,come on the Internet and Thoroughly Trash ,Besmirch and Sabotage an Event/Ride for whatever reason they might have. The constant Eroica whining and crying has been going on for over 3 years already, get over it. Its like a sewing circle around here, Whats the point of it ???

If you are disgruntled /little feelings hurt/or feel slighted concerning the Ride and are not going to attend L'Eroica its OK, dont go . But whats the point of coming Online and Constantly Crapping on a Ride that You have no interest in attending and turning away potential riders. . A few of us that attended the latest L'Eroica discussed the fact that all the constant Online Negativity turned away a lot of people ,Im certain it did. But when its gone its gone, Why ruin L'Eroica California for everyone else .. The other options, Japan or Italy ??

We spoke with The L'Eroica promoters and they reassured Us it was going to happen, and that there were changes going to be made. The Nova attendance was successful, The Vintage ride was Not . But I'll wait and see before I start pounding nails in the coffin .
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Originally Posted by Classtime
Eroica CA got pages of grief EVERY effing YEAR from a large number of posters here on BF. Many from “cyclists” who never participated. TBH, I wasn’t looking forward to another round of that.

I don’t know who operates this https but if there was interest in a vintage ride in the area…all we need is a date.
https://www.cyclecentralcoast.com/

The BWR in San Marcos CA is April 28 and this year there will be a Road Bike division for bikes that predate gravel: drop bars, double chainrings and 28mm maximum tires. It a great course for a C&V bike with indexed shifting and SPDs. I’ll be there on my RS with 9 speed bar ends and 25s.

I concur 100% .

And thanks for the heads up on the Belgian Waffle Ride April event ,San Marcos is a great area . Ive been eyeing it for a few years now . It looks doable .
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Originally Posted by iab
By all accounts, the "organized" ride known as Eroica CA sucks. Riding around the greater Auburn area is quite lovely, so using that excuse does not hold any weight whatsoever.

And here's your list.
CBA
CR West
Cino
Forgot, Rosebowl
100% by your account. And not much vintage on the Rosebowl Ride — Maybe you mean the Velo Retro Ride. I remember living in Bloomington Indiana, in January, talking with friends out here, and I was jealous too. 😉
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Originally Posted by Manny66
I concur 100% .

And thanks for the heads up on the Belgian Waffle Ride April event ,San Marcos is a great area . Ive been eyeing it for a few years now . It looks doable .
C&V crash the BWR👍👍
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Originally Posted by iab
By all accounts, the "organized" ride known as Eroica CA sucks.
Why do you say that. Have you ever ridden it? The Eroica CA ride has been great every time I have ridden it and I think most people agree. There is the issue of the two post-Covid rides having very spotty on route support, but the ride was still great.

Originally Posted by iab
And here's your list.
CBA
CR West
Cino
Forgot, Rosebowl
I already named two of those (Cino and CR West) and noted that CBA does not appear to be a ride. What is Rosebowl? Are you referring to the very small informal monthly ride? Hardly qualifies as something to travel to. Perhaps there are no other US vintage rides, though it seems that I've heard of some through the gravevine.
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I have enjoyed all Eroica Cal. Events I have attended . I have only missed one but was still signed up and I would’ve been there if I could’ve . I would go if there were suddenly an announcement of it happening. I am disappointed that it looks like it may not happen .
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Are a few directs into Sacramento, too

Originally Posted by bibliobob
I'll do my best, but it will be 50/50. I'll have to navigate leaving the toddler solo with the wife, as well as the cost. The biggest challenge for CBA is the location. I can catch a direct flight from Sacramento to Chicago, but have to add the cost of renting a car when I get there, and the additional 3.5 hours to drive to Auburn. I'd love to get there, as I'm certain that a Mike Kone's event is as good as it's gets....

One advantage of CR West is that Davis is pretty close to both SF and Oakland, and most parts of the country can get there on a direct flight.

Bob and I are current Sacramentans so we have a well earned right to slag on our local airport, but in fairness, the airport has modernized in leaps and bounds over the last 10 years. There are a few direct flights from the East Coast directly into Sacramento International so there are options other than flying into the Bay Area airports. Jet Blue and United are two I can think of off of the top of my head. Just so people know, Davis (Where the CR event will be held) is basically a commuter town for Sacramento. About 11 miles from city hall to city hall.

If you are driving in and plan on spending the weekend, Sacramento is a good option for hotels. As I’ve mentioned in some other posts, our local vintage cycling club will be scheduling Friday and Sunday rides, in addition to the Saturday ride announced, to give attendees more riding options.
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I think Auburn sounds like a great event. I am considering it but the travel is a challenge. I expect that a fair number of people far away from ÇA will have the same reaction to the CR event and that’s ok. I don’t want to hijack this post too much since it was a demise of CA Eroica post. For the record, I went in 2023 and had a great time and I enjoyed the challenging course. Made some good parts scores, too at the swap. I hope it comes back in some form, even if it is not connected with the “official” Eroica group in Italy.
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Originally Posted by Sactown_Albert
Bob and I are current Sacramentans so we have a well earned right to slag on our local airport, but in fairness, the airport has modernized in leaps and bounds over the last 10 years. There are a few direct flights from the East Coast directly into Sacramento International so there are options other than flying into the Bay Area airports. Jet Blue and United are two I can think of off of the top of my head. Just so people know, Davis (Where the CR event will be held) is basically a commuter town for Sacramento. About 11 miles from city hall to city hall.

If you are driving in and plan on spending the weekend, Sacramento is a good option for hotels. As I’ve mentioned in some other posts, our local vintage cycling club will be scheduling Friday and Sunday rides, in addition to the Saturday ride announced, to give attendees more riding options.
Thanks for clarifying regarding Sacramento airport (SMF), Albert! As someone who has spent way too much time in airports, I can confidently proclaim that SMF is one of the best airports that I've traveled through. Super easy to navigate, small, efficient, and easy to get in and out of!

I definitely intended to offer OAK and SFO as additional options. SMF is far and away the best choice to fly into of the three, all things being equal.

It's shaping up to be a fun weekend...
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Originally Posted by bibliobob
Thanks for clarifying regarding Sacramento airport (SMF), Albert! As someone who has spent way too much time in airports, I can confidently proclaim that SMF is one of the best airports that I've traveled through. Super easy to navigate, small, efficient, and easy to get in and out of!

I definitely intended to offer OAK and SFO as additional options. SMF is far and away the best choice to fly into of the three, all things being equal.

It's shaping up to be a fun weekend...
For folks staying in Sacramento or the Bay Area who would like to attend car-less you can use Amtrak trains to get to Davis. Hopefully there will be bike valet (maybe Sacramento Area Bicycle Advocates SABA).
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Originally Posted by Manny66
I concur 100% .

And thanks for the heads up on the Belgian Waffle Ride April event ,San Marcos is a great area . Ive been eyeing it for a few years now . It looks doable .
Tell my more about the BWR. I might be able to get to that one and drag my boys into it, as well. Will has an early 1980s Centurion, and David has my old 1980 Peugeot PKN-10.
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I'm curious is anyone has reached out to the organizers to clarify whether the event has been cancelled or not? A Classic Eroica CA on 9/15 was printed in the L'Eroica newspaper that was distributed at the Gaiole event last September, as well as a Nova. However, the website only initially listed the Nova, before it disappeared.

That being said, despite the support of the C&V tribe, Cambria is a bad location for an event like this. It is more than 2 hours from any airport of size, a 3 hour drive from any population center, heavily trafficked roads, and generally expensive lodging. All of this makes it difficult to attract participants. So I can see how the organizers may feel that the event would never scale up to a reasonable number of partcipants and cancel it.

If it is indeed cancelled, the local events and gathering like Cino, Auburn and the Davis event become much more important and I will plan my year accordingly.


From Gaiole 23 newspaper
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Originally Posted by djkashuba
For folks staying in Sacramento or the Bay Area who would like to attend car-less you can use Amtrak trains to get to Davis. Hopefully there will be bike valet (maybe Sacramento Area Bicycle Advocates SABA).
In Sac you would need to get a bus downtown from the airport. That's about half the journey with the train being the other half. Or you could stick with buses.

You can also do this by bike! The Google-suggested route from the airport to downtown is mostly residential. Then there is a bike trail along I-80. Is there a route across the rice paddies? The river is lacking in bridges. I don't know, but someone here will.



There is a notional airport-downtown light rail line but the last status report in 2022 said "we need money to plan how much it will cost" so don't put it on your calendar yet
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As a franchise you would think they have a model how to run it with a checklist of what should be provided and how often along the route. Or is it all just obsessed with inspecting the brake levers for pull direction?
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Originally Posted by Thalia949
I'm curious is anyone has reached out to the organizers to clarify whether the event has been cancelled or not? A Classic Eroica CA on 9/15 was printed in the L'Eroica newspaper that was distributed at the Gaiole event last September, as well as a Nova. However, the website only initially listed the Nova, before it disappeared.

That being said, despite the support of the C&V tribe, Cambria is a bad location for an event like this. It is more than 2 hours from any airport of size, a 3 hour drive from any population center, heavily trafficked roads, and generally expensive lodging. All of this makes it difficult to attract participants. So I can see how the organizers may feel that the event would never scale up to a reasonable number of partcipants and cancel it.

If it is indeed cancelled, the local events and gathering like Cino, Auburn and the Davis event become much more important and I will plan my year accordingly.

From Gaiole 23 newspaper
Several people have reached out, so far radio silence, guess we'll see.

I found Cambria to be just fine for this, lodging was not expensive that I found, can't imagine traffic being any worse than most other similar Cal. locations.

I drove from Portland OR the last two years and had a great time at both of them.

We were told by the lead guy late Sunday after it was all over that it would be on again and while I assume it really wasn't up to him, he must have had good reason to say so.
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