Two Bolt Seatposts
Hiya Folks,
I've been tweaking the fitting of my 1961 Holdsworth Cyclone and while I've got the saddle fairly good it's always tricky to adjust the angle. The seat tube is slightly oval so I'm using an 80's SR LaPrade 27.0mm which works fine but apparently the two bolt mechanism makes setting the angle much easier (if you've got the right spanner). Reading on here the original two bolt mechanism is the Campagnolo 1044, but there's also the Sugino Mighty. There's also some Nitto seatposts but they seem to be only 27.2. So can anybody suggest an adjustable seatpost (27mm) other than the above ? Adjustable as in better than SR LaPrade, and bonus points for looking good. Campy 1044: https://www.velobase.com/ViewCompone...7-29856a826f2c Sugino Mighty: https://www.velobase.com/ViewCompone...bee02&Enum=105 If I was doing it again I would get the frameworks to put the seat tube back to 27.2, but hindsight is always perfect :) |
American Classic seat posts are vintage, 2 bolt and very nice.
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other replicas of the Campag include the ANPI and Zeus Criterium from Spain https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41fc6a4656.jpg ----- |
Jean-Paul Routens (JPR) made a 2-bolt seatpost that adjusts with allen wrenches from the bottom side. You can have your cake and eat it too: it's much easier to adjust than the Campagnolo-style posts, while being micro-adjustable and holding the saddle firmly in place. The JPR 3000 is from the mid-1970's I believe, and they also made a similar 3001 fluted model. I have one on my '75 Moto Grand Jubile and it is my favorite seatpost.
If you want something more period-correct, Ideale made an all-steel micro-adjusting clamp that mounts to a standard straight-tube seatpost. I have one on my ´62 Jack Taylor and it has worked very well: micro-adjustable, easy to adjust and no slippage. |
That JPR looks quite interesting, there are even 5 x 27.0mm ones on Ebay.
They're also relatively well priced. JPR 3001 fluted: https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.a...m=105&AbsPos=3 On the other hand Hilary Stone has £36 Campy 2 bolt record 27.0 .£45 Sugino Mighty fluted 27.0 Is there any difference between Campy 1044 and Sugino Mighty, other than Sugino is fluted and a lot lighter ? |
SR Royal, which came in several variations according to Velobase.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b1f494f8.jpeg A quick internet search indicates that these came in 27.0, as an ornately-fluted one is listed for sale here (link). https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...56a8eef73e.png |
Originally Posted by CO_Hoya
(Post 23165068)
SR Royal, which came in several variations according to Velobase.
+1 on these. Cheaper versions are labelled 'CUSTOM". I find them regularly at jumble sales for little money and usually buy them. It's nice to have a stash in various sizes. These two, a nicely satin-finished ROYAL and a CUSTOM, I picked up recently for a handful of euros: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b1bc970e06.jpg |
Originally Posted by Aardwolf
(Post 23164924)
Hiya Folks,
I've been tweaking the fitting of my 1961 Holdsworth Cyclone and while I've got the saddle fairly good it's always tricky to adjust the angle. The seat tube is slightly oval so I'm using an 80's SR LaPrade 27.0mm which works fine but apparently the two bolt mechanism makes setting the angle much easier (if you've got the right spanner). Reading on here the original two bolt mechanism is the Campagnolo 1044, but there's also the Sugino Mighty. There's also some Nitto seatposts but they seem to be only 27.2. So can anybody suggest an adjustable seatpost (27mm) other than the above ? https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f083a272c.jpg Adjusting the Campagnolo style two-bolt posts is easier if you have the right tool; a 10mm flex-head ratchet: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...332ef3bf20.jpg |
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 23165094)
Sakae Ringyo made two-bolt posts in both the Campagnolo and Simplex styles in a range of diameters:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f083a272c.jpg Adjusting the Campagnolo style two-bolt posts is easier if you have the right tool; a 10mm flex-head ratchet: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...332ef3bf20.jpg |
For a 60's era, I wouldn't rule out a steel Simplex. Also called Tige de Selle meaning saddle rod. The head clamp is different but allows a decent tilt range. Open end spanner grabs those nuts ;\
Slight variations available through the years and doubt the period correct police can denote them all. Diameter in 27.2 exist. |
Originally Posted by Aardwolf
(Post 23164924)
If I was doing it again I would get the frameworks to put the seat tube back to 27.2, but hindsight is always perfect :)
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So far it's looking to me like
Best mechanism: JPR (fluted) - but fairly rare .5mm hex from below Most authentic Campy 1044 .needs the flex head ratchet Best Alternative Sugino Mighty fluted - 240g .Or any of the 1044 clones (but heavier) needs the flex head ratchet Given I've already got a fluted SR LaPrade I should probably try the Sugino Mighty and see if the flex head ratchet works with a Selle Italia Sprint. Going to be trying a Wrights Swallow in the summer so I probably need it for that. |
Almost all of my bikes have the Campy 2 bolt posts . I have one bike with a fluted Zeus seat post and they are nearly identical. I find that adjusting the seat angle is a bit time consuming but worth it to get the comfort. I did not have the Campagnolo wrench so I took a 10mm box end (12 point) wrench and bent it. It works well even with the UniCanitor saddles which have even less room than a Brooks Pro!
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another Campag replica which came on topline model Japanese cycles of the boom era is the YFC/Fujita Hupel Rider https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7748c471c1.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b5394f573.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab12148193.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...217095717e.jpg ----- |
Nitto makes several two bolt posts. The lugged steel post is 1) beautiful and would look different but in place on a bery old bike, 2) is not heavy despite sounding it and 3) is a joy to work with and adjust and 4) has lots of setback. Drawbacks - expensive and probably not in 27.0. I have it on my Mooney where it is a keeper. Uses an Allen wrench so that is easy. 5 or 6mm; one you are going to have on hand anyway. Currently made and easy for any shop to get.
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Originally Posted by juvela
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another Campag replica which came on topline model Japanese cycles of the boom era is the YFC/Fujita Hupel Rider https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7748c471c1.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b5394f573.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab12148193.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...217095717e.jpg ----- Good outcome. I won a Zeus seatpost! But it as 27.2 and my Fuji was a 26.8. Rode the State champs the next weekend on the untouched Hupel Rider. With that new tilt- painful! My mom got to watch me finish, ride straight for someones lawn, put on the brakes and simply fall over, still strapped in but off that seat! Exchanged the Zeus for a 26.8 (thank you Zeus!) and all was well; in fact a lot better, after that. |
Access ease is sometimes a function of the saddle choice.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0e087ac70.jpg |
I've got a 3ttt in 27.0 with a different 2-bolt configuration if that would be of interest:
https://www.velobase.com/ViewCompone...7-93113E14CF76 https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c868634ef2.jpg |
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"frost heave" - a new-to-me term is this when frost riving has cracked the pavement and created a bump? thanks for the story ;) ----- |
Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 23165206)
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"frost heave" - a new-to-me term is this when frost riving has cracked the pavement and created a bump? thanks for the story ;) ----- |
Originally Posted by Aardwolf
(Post 23165142)
So far it's looking to me like
....... Most authentic Campy 1044 .......needs the flex head ratchet I've been using a 12 point combination wrench, and can't recall any large amount of effort or frustration. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f73f8913fb.jpg Steve in Peoria |
Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 23165206)
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"frost heave" - a new-to-me term is this when frost riving has cracked the pavement and created a bump? thanks for the story ;) ----- |
Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
(Post 23165222)
I'm not sure that a flex wrench is required, but it might be handy.
I've been using a 12 point combination wrench, and can't recall any large amount of effort or frustration. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f73f8913fb.jpg Steve in Peoria |
Originally Posted by jeirvine
(Post 23165204)
I've got a 3ttt in 27.0 with a different 2-bolt configuration if that would be of interest:
https://www.velobase.com/ViewCompone...7-93113E14CF76 https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c868634ef2.jpg As currently on the stand. A very nice pillar indeed: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...92fc9a2966.jpg |
Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
(Post 23165222)
I'm not sure that a flex wrench is required, but it might be handy.
I've been using a 12 point combination wrench, and can't recall any large amount of effort or frustration. |
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