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Tubular Rims (polished silver)

Old 04-05-24, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by chain_whipped
Looks like eyelets to me.
However it's a bit confusing:

https://ccmflyte.wordpress.com/2013/...isi-sludi-290/
No eyelets
https://cicli-berlinetta.com/product...622-20mm-290g/
picture seems to show eyelets
but "We advise using rim washers as there are no eyelets."
Any info on Nisi rims?
I have a pair of 290's on my Gios. Nice lightweight rim (290g). They use washers under the nipples.
Need advice on NISI rims
If they are Sludi 290's they are a nice lightweight rim. But they do not have eyelets and need to be built with washers under the nipples.
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Image from Velobase:


I'll add them with a note

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Here's my final (probably) version:





It looks to me like the best options are

around 400 g
Mavic Monthlery Pro (and possibly Route)
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around 375 g
Fiamme Sprint
Fiamme Strada (red label)
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around 350g
Super Champion Arc en Ciel
Araya 16B (road version)
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Obviously other rims would also work, these just seem to be the most common / well known / trusted.

And here's a couple of adverts I found:

Super Champion


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Originally Posted by obuckler
Regarding the weight quoted in the chart for Monthlery Route (420 g): I’ve built up two wheelsets with this rim. Weighed each rim at 400g +/- maybe 2g.
I did find an interesting page on St. Sheldon's site: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/...tm#tubularrims
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Mavic Monthlery Route 399,402,403,404,404.
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So it looks like Monthlery Route are about 402g

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Good thread this'n.

I've been (admittedly intermittent) riding my 1972 Motobecane Grande Record since I bought it on Easter Sunday in Chicago, 1972. Was 'new' to road bikes then, so unaware it should have been equipped with clincher rims & tires rather than the Mavic tubulars I'm still riding on... at least once the outdoor biking season begins where I live.

Tires have changed (several times!) since then but the rims are still true, show little brake surface wear.

Did recently build a clincher rear for this bike that I mounted a trainer tire onto so I have the confidence now to take on a pair of tubulars. I'd heard street tires don't play well with 'in-contact' trainers, hence the urge to make the change.

I've been pondering building a new pair of wheels around more 'modern' hubs & new tubular rims so the info being put up here is of great interest to me.

Seems tubular rims are kinda few & far between?

And can get really pricey as well? I'm a recreational rider, unwilling to pay more for a rim than the entire bike's worth at this point. By this rule US $150 is about all I want to spend per rim.
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Originally Posted by spclark
Good thread this'n.

I've been (admittedly intermittent) riding my 1972 Motobecane Grande Record since I bought it on Easter Sunday in Chicago, 1972. Was 'new' to road bikes then, so unaware it should have been equipped with clincher rims & tires rather than the Mavic tubulars I'm still riding on... at least once the outdoor biking season begins where I live.

Tires have changed (several times!) since then but the rims are still true, show little brake surface wear.

Did recently build a clincher rear for this bike that I mounted a trainer tire onto so I have the confidence now to take on a pair of tubulars. I'd heard street tires don't play well with 'in-contact' trainers, hence the urge to make the change.

I've been pondering building a new pair of wheels around more 'modern' hubs & new tubular rims so the info being put up here is of great interest to me.

Seems tubular rims are kinda few & far between?

And can get really pricey as well? I'm a recreational rider, unwilling to pay more for a rim than the entire bike's worth at this point. By this rule US $150 is about all I want to spend per rim.
I also built a pair of clincher rims - I didn't trust myself to change a flat on the tubulars. Then I discovered Orange Seal
and the clincher rims are on top of a cupboard.

If you look at vintage tubular rims they're actually fairly common (UK anyway) and quite a few are relatively cheap.
Example:
Pair of Mavic Monthlery Route
15 in Cambridge
https://www.gumtree.com/p/bicycle-ac...ims/1462730954
(it's not local to me or I would have them)
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More usually a pair of Mavic Monthlery Pro is around 50 on Ebay.
And Ebay has approx 335 matches for "tubular rim" in the UK.
You could pick up some half decent Normandy hubs for 30 each.

If you're after some new rims I'm not really the person to ask, but Mavic Reflex were mentioned and they're current for around $40 each.
There are probably many more anodized rims since that seems to be the modern fashion.
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Hmmm, having an issue with Fiamme Red Label - it doesn't exist.
By that I mean it's not a catalogue description of Fiamme rims.

Velobase seems to have two entrys:
Fiamme Sprint: early 50s - late 60s https://www.velobase.com/ViewCompone...=107&AbsPos=16
"the labels on these rims changed from black and gold on red in the 1950s to black and yellow on red from the 1960s"
More robust than the yellow label tubular, these were a popular rim for road use.
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There's also this thread: Fiamme (red) timeline - a start, please join
It shows Fiamme red labels from 1950s to 1980s.

I think my working assumption is:
'Red Label' includes Fiamme Sprint and the later Fiamme Strada.
Fiamme Strada may be an Ergal verion of the original Sprint (red label)
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Can anybody confirm that ?
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Here's the history of Red Label: https://condorino.com/2017/12/30/s-a-fiamme-of-milano/

I'm now certain that the Velobase Fiamme Sprint entry is the actual Red label.
The Velobase Fiamme Strada (red label) is not directly related although the original red label probably didn't exist when that launched.

This is from a 1974 Cyclopedia (11th edition):

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It turns out there were road and track versions of Fiamme red label and yellow label.
Road versions have a brake track and are slightly heavier.
Then Fiamme adopted Ergal around 1976 and all the models changed.

Here's a great archive of rim related catalogues: https://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=32690
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
If you're after some new rims I'm not really the person to ask, but Mavic Reflex were mentioned and they're current for around $40 each.
There are probably many more anodized rims since that seems to be the modern fashion.
Hadn't been paying much attention to bikes & changes in technology the last three+ decades. Bought a 2022 Kona Dew+ a year ago use as a commuter three days a week, kind of 'get a toe back in' before I knew it'd be worthwhile to get my Motobecane ready to ride once again. Then I fell upon this Forum (thank you all!!) and have been getting back up to speed.

Seems Mavic Reflex sell for anywhere from US $52 (used) upwards to $80 - 150 new.

The Mavics I'm still using:



I bought a used pair of 700c Ukai clincher rims as built wheels, intending to build a pair of wheels to use on the roads here. Closer inspection revealed a small crack at a spoke hole in one rim so I changed my plans, used the other rim to build a trainer wheel.

Expensive lesson that, even before mis-calculating spoke lengths needed (my first attempt) for a 'no returns' order.

I'm not near any major metro area so the 'Net is my substitute for supplies & stuff. Be super having selections available to look at & maybe handle locally, so the Forum members here fill in the knowledge gaps nicely. LBS here in town's mostly MTB-oriented, be awesome were 40 years younger!
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
Not sure I can see the difference with "single eyed"
https://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/produc...0c-tubular-rim
The ones I have show no visible eyelet on the spoke holes.

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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
The ones I have show no visible eyelet on the spoke holes.
Cheers, one or two rims seem to come with and without eyelets.
I'll add a note.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
Cheers, one or two rims seem to come with and without eyelets.
I'll add a note.
Yes, thanks for letting me know about the double-eyeleted ones.
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Issue resolved I think.
It looks like you could have eyelets or washers.

Nisi 1985 catalogue:
Sludi Mod 290
Countersunk, smooth, with fitted up washers or eyelets
Hard anodizing may be required for all our articles
https://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=24644




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And the next issue

From the 1985 Nisi catalogue (page 8) Track:


It looks to me like the eyelet version is 30g heavier than listed.
However this one is listed at 418g - catalogue value
https://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collec...0c-tubular-rim

Anybody have a Nisi rim with eyelets they can weigh ?
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Ok, definitely the final version.

Weights updated according to where I found the value.
I'm assuming Nisi rims with eyelets would be 30g heavier than the catalogue value.
Grey background is the ones I'm thinking I could use and are fairly common on Ebay.

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