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Old 04-11-24, 12:47 PM
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Any idea on this frame?

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Interesting cut-outs on the headlugs. lower case b?
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Interesting cut-outs on the headlugs. lower case b?
Below the 'b' looks to be the side of a club/clover. And is that a spade on the side of the seat cluster? Looks like a quality frame. MauriceMoss is going to be busy.
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Below the 'b' looks to be the side of a club/clover. And is that a spade on the side of the seat cluster? Looks like a quality frame. MauriceMoss is going to be busy.
Something panto'ed on the top of the bottom bracket as well.
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Originally Posted by The_Joe
Something panto'ed on the top of the bottom bracket as well.
BCM - Bocama lugs
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I would want to know more about the black spot on the side of the seat lug in the fuzzy first photo. I hop that the home-made solution to a slipping seat post was not a set screw or through bolt. With luck it's a rather unconventionally located lug cutout.
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edit: oops, sorry. I just realized that P!N20 already pointed this out.
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I think we have seen some of those details before...I need to dig some more but gonna stick my neck out now and say: Billato.
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Fork crown looks like a Dave Moulton Recherche', although I'm certain the frame is not.
Looks cool. I would definitely go and check that one out, if it was local to me. Very interesting.
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It was listed in Indy for $50, good price just for the parts. I planned on getting it today since I was busy yesterday. Evidently someone had an idea what it was, sold quick.
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Originally Posted by sloar
It was listed in Indy for $50, good price just for the parts. I planned on getting it today since I was busy yesterday. Evidently someone had an idea what it was, sold quick.
Not surprising.
Maybe they will post here, and we'll get a chance of figuring out what it is.
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good eye, @velomateo: the fork crown is certainly one used by Dave Moulton on his Recherche' forks, but is that his own signature engraving on top, or an off-the-shelf crown? Not one I can ID either way.

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New owner has it listed.



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is there a link to this ad? (FB Marketplace?)
I can't find much on the Berretto brand except it MIGHT be made by a Brett Richardson in Brisbane AUS, who seems to have favored Reynolds tubing, here's one of his track frames:
https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/berretto-track-16544

and of one of his earlier seatclusters that does feature both the spade and "B" cutouts, plus similar shot-in stays:


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The owner told me he contacted Brett about the bike to confirm it.
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Nuts. An Aussie frame pops up and I donít recognise it.

Although Iím impressed that the buyer either knew or found out what it was and made contact with Brett.
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Well it does have Berretto stamped on the bottom bracket.
Nice to have better pics. Still not a bad price for an interesting frame.
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That is truly a cool frame.
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Originally Posted by velomateo
Well it does have Berretto stamped on the bottom bracket.
Ah, right you are - missed that first time round.
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well one mystery solved (and I also couldn't read that name on the BB shell, was too blindsided by the "Italian" spades to imagine anything from exotic Australia!)

But for my own knowledge-base and curiousity: who knows what make/model the forkcrown is?
Clearly one that both Brett R. can get in Brisbane, and Dave Moulton in California
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