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Old 05-18-24, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tmnguuyen
Seeing all this, I'm embarrassed for the CA version
Well, we for the most part don't get it, we are our own worst enemy, me, me, me, silly, (stoopid) Americans.

If we could truly get even a fraction more on board for the greater good of this, we could get a far greater result.

Everywhere but here seems to collectively put the event first and I think when they do that the rest takes care of itself at which point it becomes what it should be.
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My New Inspiration to Go to Eroica Japan

Used a Fuji for my Eroica build so it should fit right in. Great Post, Rob! Will we see you in October at the Classic Rendezvous Rally? I would love to bend your ear about some logistics questions for this event. You have definitely inspired me to put it on my short list.
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Rob: The Heroica Japan Picture Fest is reatly appreciated. Just may see you at Cino. Don
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Plus this!!!

Just when I thought they couldn’t outdo themselves….

I was going through the registration pack, thrown away the coupons for things I will never eat (sweet bean paste cakes anyone??)

When I found an actual event program.




Ah, the tunnel where I reached over to turn my light on. And it just fell off. Not only did I run over it, but I could hear at least 4 others who also ran over it.

Pretty wise of them to include the mayor, local tourism, board members, and other government officials. This way there were no complaints about tent, stakes in grass. Hint hint.


This may be happy because there were a couple places I wanted to get back into contact with.



Is it possible to be more organized and make the event any better???

doubt it.
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Did you get one of the sweet musette bags? Those look awesome
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@rob, nice to meet you, looks like you had an epic time with the camera. I had intended to break out the camera at the event, but got caught up with all the goings on.
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My Eroica pics below. It was as Rob said, a super location, extremely well run, something for everyone and a really good time.

https://gallery.heinrich.id.au/travel/japan
https://gallery.heinrich.id.au/bike-...s/eroica-japan
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Originally Posted by Robvolz




Originally Posted by Robvolz
The bullet train depresses me. Why can’t we have nice things.


Always stunning


Bikes have to transported in special bags. The local train was the one exception.
Food: Looks like miso soup and chirashi(?) bowl. Delish!

I'd LOVE an otter cafe!

Bullet train: *sigh-envy* I didn't even know about the mag-lev, that's awesome.

Mt Fuji: (Me showing pic of Fuji after business trip in the locale, to USA manager at Japanese company): "Picture is fake. Does not exist." (Every trip he'd been there, mountain was shrouded in clouds.) Was your pic taken from Izu? Looks pretty close to Fuji, even closer than I remember, and looking at map I thought I was much closer (Higashi-Fuji).

Bike bags: Do you mean "rinko" style? I've read about it in detail in Bicycle Quarterly and other places online. I'd be totally up for that if the fork is easy on and off and to readjust headset like a modern fork, but pulling off and putting back on an old threaded fork is a pain, and requires hauling big wrenches.

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Originally Posted by Robvolz
reminds me of Street Fighter

Choose your Weapon
Does the Japanese flag mean Karate? Does the Yin-Yang mean Taekwondo?
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
Before I get to more bikes/swap meet, etc

we must discuss this Colnago master.
Saronni red.
Straddle height of a size 56 frame…..

but 24” wheels.

what the eff is really going on here??


Nicest fellow. I wanted to use google translate to ask one question………..why? But after the town parade I never saw him again
Why? I've heard that mini-velos are super hot in Japan, more agile in traffic and a bit more compact in parking space and into a car hatch, though still not as small as a folder. But some ride them just for the unique style. That's gotta be the most stylish one I've ever seen, including the awesome accessorizing; if genuine brand, a pretty penny for that custom.

Are you sure it's 24" wheels and not 20"/451? 20"/406 and 451 are quite popular on mini-velos, the latter for sportier and faster ones.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
More show n shine*


This Masi is from 2022!!

Mark, can you comment on strength? Seems suspect but I’m no builder.


Love the drilled bits, and chain pins
I'm not a frame builder, but retired from structural engineering. I'd be very questioning of this, but the 2022 date is recent enough, my bet is it's been FEA'd out to be sound. Doesn't look that way, but upon close examination, the slots are not just milled into the tube, but the slots have been boxed in on the inside, helping to restore some of the closed-section strength of the tubes, and also, by the way, completely negating any weight savings! Could also be solid steel chainstays that were milled and gun-drilled both ends, or the entire stay investment cast to get that net complex shape. So my guess is, it's either for style alone, or for introducing some bending flex to improve ride, but that would also mean increased stress in a really bad place. So I think it's all style. I wouldn't ride around the world on that frame.

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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
I'm not a frame builder, but retired from structural engineering. I'd be very questioning of this, but the 2022 date is recent enough, my bet is it's been FEA'd out to be sound. Doesn't look that way, but upon close examination, the slots are not just milled into the tube, but the slots have been boxed in on the inside, helping to restore some of the closed-section strength of the tubes, and also, by the way, completely negating any weight savings! Could also be solid steel chainstays that were milled and gun-drilled both ends, or the entire stay investment cast to get that net complex shape. So my guess is, it's either for style alone, or for introducing some bending flex to improve ride, but that would also mean increased stress in a really bad place. So I think it's all style. I wouldn't ride around the world on that frame.
Roland Della Santa (RIP) made his "Ossobuco" frames with round holes through the chain stays. Like the Masi Milano shown, Roland's holes were boxed, as you put it. That not only negated any weight savings, it made the stays (and hence the frame) heavier.

I wonder (1) if the holes whistle due to the wind and (2) if so, could they have been sized to make a nice chord or play a tune? (I'm pretty sure I know the answers.)


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Originally Posted by Robvolz
A few more bikes:
Looks like it might be the chain tensioning mechanism from the Vittoria Margherita? (as shown in this brief article on a 1936 Bianchi)



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Originally Posted by Robvolz
More





......
I'm guessing that this might be the Osgear Super Champion gear changer?
The pivot for the chain tensioner is forward of the bottom bracket, and is operated by a down tube lever.
Cycling Plus had an article written by Hilary Stone on this:




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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
Why? I've heard that mini-velos are super hot in Japan, more agile in traffic and a bit more compact in parking space and into a car hatch, though still not as small as a folder. But some ride them just for the unique style. That's gotta be the most stylish one I've ever seen, including the awesome accessorizing; if genuine brand, a pretty penny for that custom.

Are you sure it's 24" wheels and not 20"/451? 20"/406 and 451 are quite popular on mini-velos, the latter for sportier and faster ones.
We Japanese cyclists have loved mini-velos.

First, C&V
Katakura made Perfect Quick Mini, 22in wheel rinko bike.
First model was PR2-D, size 500mm
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle

Then minor-changed PR2-DF, size 500mm
Tube was changed to Unno D2xD2
https://ameblo.jp/bicyclu527/entry-12389205207.html

KATO CYCLE of Nagoya made its original 16in mini sport.
Its ad of Cycle Sports, Sep. 1977
It says:
CrMo tubes
size : 500mm, bigger size available
color and shifter mount are by order
frame : from 40,000 Yen
complete bike : from 82,000 Yen
TA rings 63, 65, 68 in stock

They don't made it now.



some of 2024 mini-velos


Bianchi LECCO
https://www.japan.bianchi.com/bike-detail?id=66

Gios, 6 models are available
https://www.job-cycles.com/gios/collection/index.php

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absolute new information…..
Thank you.
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(above) I love hand-drawn catalogs. Used to be common for small, dedicated supply companies. Camping gear. Guitars. Other specialized stuff.
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Originally Posted by Robvolz
This is 🔥, do you happen to have more pictures of it?
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(above) I love hand-drawn catalogs. Used to be common for small, dedicated supply companies. Camping gear. Guitars. Other specialized stuff.
There were 2 more bike shops who made a hand-drawn ad every month.

Cycle Sports, Sep, 1977

Cycle Mate Yoshida of Shiki, Saitama prefecture, now Y's Road.
Upper half : bespoke Antales
Lower half : ready-made Shaula road bike and sportif, Lesath randonneuse


Tomoda of Osaka.
They published, yes published, original World Parts 76, 3000 yen.
The center illustration is Campy-compatible aluminum parts of FT or O.M.A.S., 20 set only.
And a new big handlebar bag, now special price 5800 yen.
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It appears that along with a wide variety of bike exotica, to help you pay for it, Yoshida offered financing as well. See lower right “Yoshida Loan”?!
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer
Roland Della Santa (RIP) made his "Ossobuco" frames with round holes through the chain stays. Like the Masi Milano shown, Roland's holes were boxed, as you put it. That not only negated any weight savings, it made the stays (and hence the frame) heavier.

I wonder (1) if the holes whistle due to the wind and (2) if so, could they have been sized to make a nice chord or play a tune? (I'm pretty sure I know the answers.)
I’ve never met Roland Della Santa, much less owned or rode one of his great frames, but I did spend an entertaining half hour chatting over the phone several years back. May he rest in peace.

I've long thought Ossobuco and similar drilled and filled chainstays were an inside joke between and played by master framebuilders on clients with more money than sense. With no engineering background I can’t see any possible benefit beyond they look quite cool and distinctive. I guess there’s some collectability in a frame with them, but I can’t recall seeing a photograph of a racer riding one in anger. Ever.
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It appears that along with a wide variety of bike exotica, to help you pay for it, Yoshida offered financing as well. See lower right “Yoshida Loan”?!
exactly
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(above) Love the sizing jig. Love the drafting board and machine, that looks identical to what I had in my cubical for many years; The company converted to CAD in the drafting department, they were gonna junk the drawing boards, top quality, each 5' wide, I got rid of the desk in my cube and put two of the 'boards end to end, fit perfect in my 10' long cubical; Never used the drafting machine but the boards set level, were ideal for looking at large roll drawings and holding the large drawing folder.

Love the exclamation points. I imagine them saying, NEW! IMPROVED! HIGHEST QUALITY! IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS! FOOL YOUR ENEMIES! (back page ads in Boys Life)
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I’ve never met Roland Della Santa, much less owned or rode one of his great frames, but I did spend an entertaining half hour chatting over the phone several years back. May he rest in peace.

I've long thought Ossobuco and similar drilled and filled chainstays were an inside joke between and played by master framebuilders on clients with more money than sense. With no engineering background I can’t see any possible benefit beyond they look quite cool and distinctive. I guess there’s some collectability in a frame with them, but I can’t recall seeing a photograph of a racer riding one in anger. Ever.
By the time Della Santa made the Ossobuco, pretty much nobody was racing on steel any more. They were for old-fart used-to-be/wanna-be/never-was riders. (I personally am one of the latter.)

I, too, am no engineer, but I suppose the design adds what is effectively a number of cross-braces that would make the stays laterally stiffer (but not more vertically compliant). That is a thoroughly uninformed guess - somebody who actually knows something about such things may be along to set me straight.

I only met Roland briefly at a couple NAHBS events and cannot claim to be his friend or even acquaintance, but he would cheerfully talk with just about anyone for pretty much as long as you wanted. He did say in my hearing that the Ossobuco stays (a) weighed more and (b) were PITA to make.
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Originally Posted by keith_h
My Eroica pics below. It was as Rob said, a super location, extremely well run, something for everyone and a really good time.

https://gallery.heinrich.id.au/travel/japan
https://gallery.heinrich.id.au/bike-...s/eroica-japan
Thank you for sharing those pictures. Much appreciated. And how wonderfully odd to see a VDV jersey in that context.
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