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A Campy 3X would only be a few years later. A Campy Mirage would again be a few years later. But - with that you get the triple and you get shifting that is simply superb. (I've got the triple on my Pro Miyata (with Cyclone GT rear - very nice shifting but not Campy at all) and the Mirage on my best ti bike (with a mish-mash triple crankset made up for super low Q-factor. Both bikes shift like a dream, both front and rear.

The Campy triple and Mirage RD would not be classic Record, but - this bike isn't a gem; it's a rider. And both the triple and the Mirage are simply better. The triple better for you and the Mirage is one of those quiet, unknown great shifting derailleurs of all-time. (Dream shifts on my Ti Cycles.)

Love resto mod, but quill adapter.....fuggedaboutit...... fugly does not match the design ethos and aesthetics of the base frame

Right!? The voice of the common man must prevail.

Re the voice of the common man, someone once observed some years back:" Barry Manilow sold more records last year than Mozart. That does not mean Manilow is the better musician or composer."

On the other hand, Mozart never had a Las Vegas residency . . . . :D

At six and a half decades, the low back wants what the low back wants. The bonus is that I can still keep some younger riders from having to look at it. ;)

Probably just re-raking the fork and drilling it out for internal wiring with a generator hub will be sufficient. Oh, and what Italian racing bike doesn't need a front rack for a huge handlebar bag?

That was fixed in 2016.

https://hypebeast.com/2018/12/mozart...st-cds-in-2016

This is a clear example of me ignoring my own advice. I put forth a very similar hypothetical scenario recently on the Auburn restomod thread. This Gios was sold as a frameset in 1983. I can easily imagine someone buying one and building it up the next year with Dura Ace 7400. Then eventually it would come into the hands of someone who would correct this mistake and install Campy components. Let's say that happened in the late 90's. Would they replace the DA 7400 stuff with friction shifting? No way. So now it's got probably 2x8 Record or Chorus components. Eventually the owner finds himself having become an overweight middle-aged man and he looks at the latest Campy Racing T offerings.

Quod erat demonstrandum

Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion. Against all odds, it has been very helpful.

I guess you haven't seen my bikes. :lol:

I've got around 15 vintage bikes with indexed shifting. Most use components from the early 2000s so the "neo" in "neo-retro" is getting stretched thin. I don't care for that term anyway. The "hold outs" in my collection are the 1973 De Rosa, the c.1967 PC-10, this one and a 1969 Raleigh Competition. And the Competition has new-ish dual pivot brakes, an 80's SunTour 3-pulley rear derailleur, and a Specialized flag crank, so even that one is technically a resto-mod, but it has the original friction shifters.

Thanks for the context. You have it much worse than I do.

So do you want it as an esthetic work, or do you want to make changes so that you ride it more? The hold-outs sound like esthetic works.

Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to decide here. I like the look of it with the period correct build, but I'm kind of thinking I'd just rather ride it more.

I think the De Rosa is special enough that it demands to be kept vintage. I went so far as to source the correct pre-CPSC brakes for that one. The PX-10 is my attempt to capture the full spirit of a French bike. I should probably build a French bike with SRAM components as a sort of inside joke. The Competition just really works with friction shifting and it has a full-on touring gear range (the crank is 46-36-24, I think). It's a very laid back bike.
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Wow, a Stowaway, no less. Didn't expect to find that in this thread.

-Kurt

maybe there is a different approach.

warning heresy alert

put all your bike on a planned ride rotation for the next few months
after the first month record whether you are excited to ride the bike that comes up in the rotation

If you are not excited..... do the 5 whys
1) why am i not excited to ride this bike
2) based on why I an not excited, why can't it be changed to make it better?
3) Why can'/wont i make the change
4)Why keep the bike if change can;t be made (lots of valid reasons like uniqueness and history
5) why not say to heck with it and invoke N+1

Ride flatter terrain on Gios rotation day?
When undecided on a build, I postpone a decision. Tomorrow has answers.

I don't really have that kind of patience. You're right about one thing though, tomorrow will have answers.

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Hey, wait! Didn't we just vote against this? :foo:

Perhaps I didn't properly explain the ranked choice voting system. With 40 votes currently cast, 21 votes were for one of the two 3x10 choices, 15 were for keeping the current components (which I have -- they're in a box), and 4 votes were for selling. Those votes were then weighted according to my preference and a winner was determined. :innocent:

Shorten one brake cable. Not the other.

I took it out for a 40-mile ride today. Overall, I'm very pleased.

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The first nasty surprise was bombing a fast downhill, I hit a bump and the handlebars rotated. That was a surprise because I hadn't touched the clamp bolt during the rebuild. I guess they were loose before. I pulled over to the side of the road and hastily adjusted the bars and tightened them. That's why the levers are pointing up in the picture above -- nothing to do with preference. I'll fix that before I ride it again to make the hoods level. In general, I think I don't like these bars, so I'll probably swap them out for some Soma Highway One bars before the next ride too. I kind of expected that so I was OK with a sloppy job on the bar tape. These things happen with midnight builds.

I hate clamp-on bottle cages, but I hate running out of water on a hot day even more, so there you have it. In a plot twist, I've determined that the panels are yellow because they have a clear coat that's turned yellow. It was scraped off in one place, and I inadvertently scratched through it with my thumbnail in another place. I might try to see if that will come off cleanly without ruining the original panel stickers. If not, if I end up having to replace the panel decals, this could be an opportunity to add a second set of bottle bosses without sacrificing any visible parts of the original paint. Oh, what a slippery slope modernizing a bike is!

There was some noise coming from one of the wheels. I still haven't figured that out. Nothing was rubbing. Nothing was unusually loose. @gugie's theory is that the tube is folded inside the tire. That seems plausible. It sounded more like a squeak than a scrape, and it was happening once per rotation of the wheel. Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's something with the wheels and not the frame. I got these wheels with a Litespeed that I bought for the components. I had them on my Bianchi and didn't think they looked right there. I'm not decided what I think of them on the Gios. They are black anodized Mavics, which I think is something they have in common with the rims (MA 40?) in the Gios Torino ads for this bike. My riding companion today wasn't as attractive as Roger's though.

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I'm glad it came out so well. Back in those days, I was a shop mechanic working in a shop that had a lot of high end bikes such as this one. It was one of my favorite models aesthetically. I've never ridden one.

You might consider one of those bottle cage mounts that bolt to the rear of the saddle. Many will hold two cages. Looks decent and easy enough to reach.

Handlebar safety is important! (You know this.) Check the bolts two or three times. Same for the front wheel attachment.

But Mozart didn't win 4 Super Bowls.

Did that happen before or after Germany bombed Pearl Harbor?

You need a Brooklyn jersey.

That spandex top, or is it a skinsuit, probably doesn't flatter anyone who's not pretty close to race weight.