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Old 07-05-24, 01:04 PM
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What do you know about Viscount bike saddles?

Do any of you know the history of Viscount bike seats? I cant find much on them online. Any catalogs? Time period etc? Any info is appreciated. Thanks
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Taiwanese, quality ranged from "close to dept. store" to "pretty good", at one point they were licensed by Selle Italia to make Turbo saddles, perhaps mainly for The Trade (as OEM equipment on Taiwan-made bikes) and not directly competing with Italia for retail saddle sales? The ones I saw looked to be the same quality as Selle Italia Turbos, but didn't see any in "fancy leather" (perfed, water buffalo, etc.) nor any limited edition models, just your plain vanilla Turbo

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Originally Posted by unworthy1
Taiwanese, quality ranged from "close to dept. store" to "pretty good", at one point they were licensed by Selle Italia to make Turbo saddles, perhaps mainly for The Trade (as OEM equipment on Taiwan-made bikes) and not directly competing with Italia for retail saddle sales? The ones I saw looked to be the same quality as Selle Italia Turbos, but didn't see any in "fancy leather" (perfed, water buffalo, etc.) nor any limited edition models, just your plain vanilla Turbo
Im looking for a certain Viscount saddle for my Ross Paragon. Havent found one yet thats any better than the trashed one I have. It would be nice to see a catalog but cant locate that either.
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I'm not surprised that you can't find much on Viscount saddles. They were mostly an OEM saddle supplier.
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Seeing your old saddle may help someone help you. Can you post a picture of your trashed saddle?
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Seeing your old saddle may help someone help you. Can you post a picture of your trashed saddle?
Sure.

I dont know what other bikes these came on. I know Ross Paragons and 1983 Ross Signatures had them. They must have put them on other brand bikes also. I heard Fuji but I never saw one on any Fujis Ive seen.

My current trashed saddle.

Viscount Aero. Viscount Industries Co. LTD, Sea Gull Saddle H100, Made In Taiwan


On a bike I saw in the wild.

From the 1983 Ross Catalog

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looks a bit more like a Concor (model might be Seagull Saddle 11100) DOH, I see you ID'd it as "H100" I bet some flavor of Concor will be much easier to find, but I never tried
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Can you use a reddish one?

Vintage NOS NEW Viscount Aero red suede cycling saddle Concor Supercorsa | eBay




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Originally Posted by cb400bill
thats a great find Bill! If only it was black or I could repaint the bike black with orange bar tape!
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Seeing your old saddle may help someone help you. Can you post a picture of your trashed saddle?




i thought about recovering it but the corner is long gone and the other corner is just barely holding on
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would be interesting to compare this "Sea Gull" to a genuine Selle San Marco Concor to see just how close they match. Could be another licensing deal Viscount struck with another Italian saddle-maker, but IIRC the Viscount Turbo was clearly marked on underside as being "licensed by Selle Italia".
Possibly this is just a Concor knock-off but I won't file any trademark infringement charges
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Originally Posted by unworthy1
would be interesting to compare this "Sea Gull" to a genuine Selle San Marco Concor to see just how close they match. Could be another licensing deal Viscount struck with another Italian saddle-maker, but IIRC the Viscount Turbo was clearly marked on underside as being "licensed by Selle Italia".
Possibly this is just a Concor knock-off but I won't file any trademark infringement charges
Thats interesting. they do look like twin brothers. The Viscounts say Made In Taiwan and the Concors say Made In Italy. So did Selle buy the molds and the design from Viscount? When were Selle San Marcos made? Maybe after Viscount stopped making them because they sold it to Selle? What do you think? Im tempted to get one but ideally I want to keep the bike as original as possible. I wonder what all years, brands and model bikes came with the Viscount Aero Sea Gull Saddle? Doesnt seem too popular from what I can tell.

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If I were to guess, Viscount copied the design of Selle San Marcos. Most would say that their saddle would be "better" than the Viscount version.

One option would be to by a Selle San Marcos in black so you can ride the bike. Keep looking for a Viscount until you find one and replace it.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
If I were to guess, Viscount copied the design of Selle San Marcos. Most would say that their saddle would be "better" than the Viscount version.

One option would be to by a Selle San Marcos in black so you can ride the bike. Keep looking for a Viscount until you find one and replace it.
Thats tempting. If they copied it then it wouldnt be exact. I mean its close enough that if they copied it without permission i would say that is theft.
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Everyone's stuff gets copied.

Look how many Les Paul and Stratocaster guitar copies there are available.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Everyone's stuff gets copied.

Look how many Les Paul and Stratocaster guitar copies there are available.
thats a good point. Did the patent expire or? did they get sued? How do they get away with it?

I think im going to take your advice on the Selle until i find a nos viscount
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Everyone's stuff gets copied.

Look how many Les Paul and Stratocaster guitar copies there are available.
in some pics they look the same and in other pics the viscount looks much more lordotic for lack of a better word.

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The model that you'd want is the Selle San Marco Concor Supercorsa.



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I'm not a lawyer (thank God!) nor do I play one on TV, but if I did I'd say this: the enforcement of patents and copyrights can get tricky when the opposing parties are in different countries. Italian patents might extend "worldwide" but maybe not, in which case neither of these Selles (saddle makers) might have anything to protect their designs from counterfeiting done in a country outside of Italian or EU jurisdiction.

And if you've been following the news for the last 30-50 years you might have heard that China (the "People's Republic of", NOT necessarily "Taiwan, the Republic of") has been notorious for baldfaced ignoring any and all foreign patents or copyrights of pretty much everything.

It's been sort of a sore point for many
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
The model that you'd want is the Selle San Marco Concor Supercorsa.


whst year were they made? What years are best?
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Originally Posted by BikePower
whst year were they made? What years are best?
it seems like the nose hooks down more than the Viscount Aero. What do you think?


Its the same name on the seat as the one you posted the picture of?

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Originally Posted by cb400bill
If I were to guess, Viscount copied the design of Selle San Marcos. Most would say that their saddle would be "better" than the Viscount version.

One option would be to by a Selle San Marcos in black so you can ride the bike. Keep looking for a Viscount until you find one and replace it.
ive looked at lots of listings but even at $100 they are offering junk with leather totally worn through on the corners and back edge. It doesnt start looking good until about 175 to 200 and thats a lot to pay for a temporary saddle. Id pay that for nos viscount aero sea gull seat though but no listings. Probably no demand for it.there must be one sitting in a basement or backroom somewhere or on a ross signature that nobody rides. There must be other bikes besides ross signstures and paragons that they came on. So few people liked ross road bikes back then.
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ive looked at lots of listings but even at $100 they are offering junk with leather totally worn through on the corners and back edge. It doesnt start looking good until about 175 to 200 and thats a lot to pay for a temporary saddle. Id pay that for nos viscount aero sea gull seat though but no listings. Probably no demand for it.there must be one sitting in a basement or backroom somewhere or on a ross signature that nobody rides. There must be other bikes besides ross signstures and paragons that they came on. So few people liked ross road bikes back then.
The largest drawback on your saddle are the stress cracks and the large loss of plastic at the read etc. There are 3 on ebay for under 50 shipped, all seem structurally sound with 2 some abrasion to the covers and one that from the photos looks clean.....check them out.
Good luck Ben
BTW, a look at the sold listings shows a number of them selling for uber 40......so as Master Po would say, "Be patient Grasshopper", one will show up in your price range .
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The largest drawback on your saddle are the stress cracks and the large loss of plastic at the read etc. There are 3 on ebay for under 50 shipped, all seem structurally sound with 2 some abrasion to the covers and one that from the photos looks clean.....check them out.
Good luck Ben
BTW, a look at the sold listings shows a number of them selling for uber 40......so as Master Po would say, "Be patient Grasshopper", one will show up in your price range .
you mean 3 of the san marcos? Or viscounts?
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San Marcos...........from the conversation they seem to be the same, If originality is important to you , then I would follow bills advice and buy one of the S.M. and wait until you find the "exact" saddle that you want/need.
When you begin, please start a thread on your restoration, I am sure all would like to see it.
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