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Old 07-08-24, 07:56 AM
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What old touring did I buy?

I couldnt resist a yellow bike in my price range . Reprted to be English but no labels with repaint.
serial number on bb m3h71096
Most components modified. Seat post 26.6
Sunshine gyromatic hubs. Canti brakes diacompe and diacompe nonaerolevers with faux drillium holes. Lugs distinct from both of my similar raleighs. No markings on lugs like raleigh usa bikes
it fits me even tho prev o

Unknown touring



Lug id?
wnner claimed to be 8'2".





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headset Tange model MA60

fork crown, lugs, seat stay plugs & frame ends Tange

Tange frame bits:

upper head lug Nr. 1803

lower head lug Nr. 1823

seat lug Nr. 1850

fork crown Nr. CCL 1120

fork ends Nr. TL 1212

dropouts Nr. 1305

top tube brake cable guide Nr. T6

drive side bottom bracket cable guide Nr. B2

non-drive side bottom bracket cable guide Nr. B3

chain stay stop Nr. R9

rack eyelets Nr. R7

tube set likely to be one of the Tange midrange sets, a step or so below Champion such as the Mangaloy

kitting - chainset and gear mechs appear much later than cycle

date appears from the late seventies - early eighties era

would seem a good bet to be of Nippon origin

good looking machine - i like it

heck of a buy for one hundreds...congratulations!

should you wish to explore identity of manufacturer serial format and placement may prove helpful clues...

Asian Serial Number Guide

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Old 07-08-24, 08:29 AM
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I was suspicious that it was japanese fabrication irrespective of the marketing label
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At 8'2" I'd expect a longer seatpost. :-)
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Miyata used those rear rack tabs, and I think that color too. Dunno about those lugs though.
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Lugs like that were used on some Fuji bikes, perhaps Miyata too but if this is definitely Tange tubing then maybe not either of them...very clearly a JP-made frame and not Brit
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The serial number suggests a 1983 Miki-built frame. Miki built frames for quite a few companies, so further analysis is required to find what brand decals would have been on it originally.

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As non-fixie already noted, this frame was manufactured by Miki in 1983.

While there were a handful of brands in Britain that had frames made by Miki in the 80s (Elswick Hopper, Falcon, Coventry Eagle), I've never seen any touring rigs under any British brands. Not sure what the seller was referring to with "English" in the ad.

The best matches for this frame are KHS 'Special' touring and a Sakai 'LDT'. The KHS Special model ranged from Tange 2 tubing with sidepulls, to Tange 3, and eventually to Tange Infinity (both the last two with cantis). The mystery frame is most likely built with Tange 3 tubing.

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KHS Special touring (all these are from 1983)








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I am always amazed at the knowledge around here and the willingness to share it. What a great group of folks.
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Originally Posted by beicster
I am always amazed at the knowledge around here and the willingness to share it. What a great group of folks.
It's unbelievable. If a question can be answered about an old bike, the crew here will do it!
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The hive still hasn't figured how the seller at 8'2" managed to ride the bike . . .
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Spot on info!

I'm grateful for the deliberations. The Sakai has mount sites for bottle on the bottom of the down tube. The KHS does not appear to have them. There may have been a transition from Champion 2 to tange 3 at the 82 83 year era.model shift.
As usual I'm impressed with New Mexio's climate. Virtually no rust on this bike compared to all the examples i compared it to. The same was true for a 1984 Panasonic mixte that i recently rescued from oblivion. Im anxious to gently go through this presumed Sakai and put some miles on it. I'm 79 and counting so dont anticipate heavy loaded touring. However a new bike brings a smile to my face.
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
It's unbelievable. If a question can be answered about an old bike, the crew here MauriceMoss will do it!
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Originally Posted by Peruano
I'm grateful for the deliberations. The Sakai has mount sites for bottle on the bottom of the down tube. The KHS does not appear to have them.
Actually the KHS does have them:

https://offerup.com/item/detail/8ec2...3-19d6549fb197

The KHS and Sakai pretty much look identical frame-wise.
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Cresta silarities.

Originally Posted by beicster
I am always amazed at the knowledge around here and the willingness to share it. What a great group of folks.
Indeed the nishiki has many similarities but only some years have matching lugs. Tubing seems to vary with year. It too gets praise from those that have had them.
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