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Old 07-10-24, 07:29 PM
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Is it possible to repair this saddle?

Ive considered biying a similar saddle but my heart is set on the exact same shape saddle it had originally. So far i havent found a Viscount Aero Sea Gull sadle for sale except a red one.

have any of you restored a broken saddle? Do you think its restorable?

Here are some pics to see what Im working with.











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It's pretty far gone; that chunk out of the corner is a concern.

It looks a lot like a Concor Supercorsa, if you were looking for a suitable replacement: Post your San Marco Concor Supercorsa in action!

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Originally Posted by P!N20
It's pretty far gone; that chunk out of the corner is a concern.

It looks a lot like a Concor Supercorsa, if you were looking for a suitable replacement: Post your San Marco Concor Supercorsa in action!
its very similar but the corsa nose curves down . I would buy one for side by side comparison but even the junk ones are too $$$
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Go to Hobby Lobby and get a packet of leather remnants . Use rubber cement to bond the new leather to the old saddle foam. It has worked for me on a few saddles, and cost was about $20. Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by BikePower
its very similar but the corsa nose curves down . I would buy one for side by side comparison but even the junk ones are too $$$
Fair play. Ebay prices are ridiculous, but keep your eye out, because occasionally they pop up for cheap.
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Not bad for a Concor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30538873952...Bk9SR-Sh8oSUZA
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what could I do about this?



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Recovering the saddle with new leather is relatively straight-forward. However, replacing the sections of the damaged and missing plastic shell is problematic if not impossible, and easily straightening the bent rail without damaging the remaining plastic shell, might prove challenging--- IMHO.

If you can find the same saddle with an intact plastic shell and okay condition rails, but a damaged leather cover, might yield an acceptable price, which Sactown_Albert has helpfully provided in the ebay link. As Mad Honk mentioned, recovering with new leather is not difficult. I turned an Avocet Racing into the Gatorcet just for the fun of it.

The saddle started like this.

I carefully removed the original cover and saved for a template to assist in making a new cover.

The final product. I used cowhide stamped to look like alligator. Because it is not as stretchy, I made it two pieces, a top with an attached skirt. The stitching and the seam are not felt when riding.

On the next saddle I recover I plan to use goatskin or sheepskin leather. It is stretchy, flexible, and easy to work with. A single piece of leather can be used to cover the entire saddle and could recover the ebay Concor nicely. I purchase most of my leather from this ebay seller. Look for 2 oz. or thicker leather.
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Wait a minute. You found a red one? And I am betting it is in far better shape. So - why not make it black. Far, far easier. Got to a cobbler and buy leather black. $8 perhaps. Apply it as many times as you need. Maybe finish with black shoe polish. Ride only with black shorts until you know it isn't going to bleed black. Done.

Leather black is incredibly black. A liquid you apply with the included cotton swab or any paint brush. (Also useful for making wood, etc. black. I use it on wood trays I make to contain music amplifier pedals and boxes. Perfect flat black for on-stage equipment. And so easy!)

I'd probably polish the seat with black shoe polish after treatment to minimize "bleed". Leather will thank you also. Especially if you use good polish like the Sappir brand.
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I have a Viscount saddle, although not same model as yours I think. If interested go over to the ISO and For Trade thread and I can do more pics,,,
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Can the saddle be repaired? Yes. Is it worth the cost and effort to repair the saddle? Not a single chance in the world of fire and brimstone (my opinion). That said...

I have been there with a very similar saddle...


After thousands of miles of use, the cover was showing sign of wear and deterioration...



But last year, while doing my winter riding in Jamaica, my Bianchi's saddle gave up the ghost (frame failed) and that is exactly where the OP's saddle is heading. I should add that, being without any spare parts, such as a spare saddle, I was out of luck. So, I did my best to tie-wrap the saddle frame together and finished the last three months in Jamaica with a busted butt perch. I might add that I gave my Jamaica Bianchi away before I headed back to Canada, last Spring...


All that said, I bought three bikes, all from the same guy a week or two ago, and guess what? My worn out and favorite saddle of all time just go replaced. Yahoo!





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Originally Posted by randyjawa
Can the saddle be repaired? Yes. Is it worth the cost and effort to repair the saddle? Not a single chance in the world of fire and brimstone (my opinion). That said...

I have been there with a very similar saddle...


After thousands of miles of use, the cover was showing sign of wear and deterioration...



But last year, while doing my winter riding in Jamaica, my Bianchi's saddle gave up the ghost (frame failed) and that is exactly where the OP's saddle is heading. I should add that, being without any spare parts, such as a spare saddle, I was out of luck. So, I did my best to tie-wrap the saddle frame together and finished the last three months in Jamaica with a busted butt perch. I might add that I gave my Jamaica Bianchi away before I headed back to Canada, last Spring...


All that said, I bought three bikes, all from the same guy a week or two ago, and guess what? My worn out and favorite saddle of all time just go replaced. Yahoo!

Neat story. What brand and model of saddle is it?
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as the Pastor said: "Recovering the saddle with new leather is relatively straight-forward. However, replacing the sections of the damaged and missing plastic shell is problematic if not impossible, and easily straightening the bent rail without damaging the remaining plastic shell, might prove challenging--- IMHO.

If you can find the same saddle with an intact plastic shell and okay condition rails, but a damaged leather cover, might yield an acceptable price..."
I.m a big proponent of "fix it, don't junk it" but if the shell is damaged, or the foam has lost the fight...you have to relinquish it to the dump. Recovering a tattered saddle be a satisfying adventure but not if you're just applying a thick coat of lipstick on pigskin...to mix some metaphors...
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Sorry to take a few days to get to a reply. This is the saddle that was fitted to the Cambio Rino. The saddle is, lucky for me, in good shape and I already know that it is comfortable beyond compare to any other saddle I have ever used...



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Originally Posted by randyjawa
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Sorry to take a few days to get to a reply. This is the saddle that was fitted to the Cambio Rino. The saddle is, lucky for me, in good shape and I already know that it is comfortable beyond compare to any other saddle I have ever used...

thanks. I see the branding on the nose but does it say anything on the underside like the manufacturer or model number? Thanks. Nice seat
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Sorry to take a few days to get to a reply. This is the saddle that was fitted to the Cambio Rino. The saddle is, lucky for me, in good shape and I already know that it is comfortable beyond compare to any other saddle I have ever used...

my only comment Randy is that saddle has a very different rail to top shape displacement to many other saddles, say a Cinelli.
the saddle was comfortable but even slammed all the way back yielded an actual seating position 15 mm farther forward than expected.

the bike handled poorly. Switched out the saddle and the bike handled as expected
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my only comment Randy is that saddle has a very different rail to top shape displacement to many other saddles, say a Cinelli.
the saddle was comfortable but even slammed all the way back yielded an actual seating position 15 mm farther forward than expected.

the bike handled poorly. Switched out the saddle and the bike handled as expected
what brand and model is the saddle? Does anyone know?
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what brand and model is the saddle? Does anyone know?
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great link! Thanks!
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Yes, everything is possible, it depends on how close to original you want to come. It also depends on how much you want to sculpt and form.

The leather is obviosly straightforward. Use chrome tanned for strength or vegetable tanned for ease of use when wetforming.

The foam is also fairly straightforward. Id use a modern closed cell. Evazote is good.

You could use a sheet of plastic of the same kind. (Looks like polyethylene). Use it as backing behind the cracks and the missing piece and fasten with epoxy and staples or rivets.

You could also make a mold from EPS using the original and make the whole thing from epoxy and glass fibre. (Using the original rails.)

Or get another one...
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I'm a true believer when it comes to refurbishing stuff, but I'd say the OP's saddle is long gone. Cover, foam, shell, rails...I just don't see the point.
I have recovered a number of saddles, and it went pretty much as shown in the video a couple posts back.
The leather I used was "upholstery leather" which looks like what's in the video, and is typically on the order of 2mm thick.
The original leather that I have removed from worn saddles (Concor, Flite mostly) has been about half that thickness, which goes a long way toward explaining how the factory got the corners and undersides to look so good.
The upholstery leather works OK if you are careful, and probably will last longer.
If you want to try for the original look, I'd suggest sourcing some 1mm goatskin. There are sellers on Etsy who have that sort of thing.
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