Identify a frame?
 

Hello Velciopedists,

I am brand new member but have been around road bicycles all my life. Well almost. Say ...the last 43 years.

Sorry to be a nuisance if I made a mistake. Is this where one can get help identifying a frame (early eigties at most late senties)?


/Chris

You have come to the right place! The expertise in the C&V forum is absolutely mind blowing.

You need 10 posts in order to post pictures. Or post them to your gallery in your profile and someone will give you a picture assist.

I myself am ignorant. But I do like to look and learn.

Welcome!

Thanks!
I have started with the posts.

Welcome aboard!

To get things started:

It is sort of pearly white.

Probably came with first generation Shimano 600 (2x5)

I have it in Sweden so it is more probable than anything else to be Scandinavian, French or Italian. Could be German.

It is quite tight and short -- racy -- but it has attachement points on the dropouts for mudguards.

/Chris

Shimano parts have two letter date codes on them. If the components are original to the bike that would narrow down the year pretty quick.

That is if the Shimano bits are still with the frame.

It will help if you upload pics to your gallery.
This is the link to your gallery,
https://www.bikeforums.net/g/album/34687630

Probably not a Sekine from Canada but it is kinda pearly white, in a brownish sort of way. And I did send one just like this to Europe long ago but more like fifteen, not 43, years ago...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5ea8187611.jpg

Thank you!

Nice! Who knows, My frame was owned by an Australian but I dont think he brought it from there...

Thanks. I have some pictures and I will do more. Making my 10 posts first...

Thanks! I checked the date codes and the groupset seems to be from 1980.

pic assist with a shot of the serial number, there are more but no full-frame from either side. Looks middling JP to me

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f54619c5d.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cd6d0964f1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e74fadadc5.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...255831cb2c.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d0abc8e2d4.jpg
best clue of them all
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1f8087b3ab.jpg
nutted brakes the forkends in another shot look "suspect": bent maybe

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seat stay bridge badly crushed from apparent over tightening of brake mount bolt

perhaps bridge made without internal reenforcement

frame bits visible in posted images appear to be all Tange


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Thank you. I'm beginning to think japanese.

I've added a few more pictures.

https://www.bikeforums.net/g/album/34687630

I think its repainted -- on a closer look.

The dropouts are SunTour. It doesent have any attachments for water bottle holder.

Like Unworthy1 I'm beginning to think its japanese. I forgot on my list of ususal suspects Miyata and Nishiki. They were quite common around here in the eighties.

Anybody care to venture a securish guess?

Man there are rules for a beginner on this forum!

/Chris

you're over the 10-post threshold, so you can upload pix directly now.
But here's a few more, anyhow:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e9429937a0.jpg
distinctive shaped shifter stop, but do not recognize a brand that used it
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ec9d43b56.jpg
the forkend that looks weird, but the fork blades look to have a sharp bend so maybe this is to compensate?
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c3c9bf3f2a.jpg
driveside full frameset
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eef7f651f7.jpg
non driveside full view

Blob end dropout to stay attachment. SunTour drops...Upper lower range Kabuki?

A quick (and for me frustrating) look at the Asian Serial Numbers chart says that Kabuki (and later Bridgestone) would have Alphabetic characters, so "001 0412" seems to rule that out.
I doubt this is a 1972 (possibly 1982, but more like a bit earlier) so the last "2" may have nothing to do with year built.
A visual "match" with the size location and stamps used was one Araya frame in that thread, but that's far from conclusive.
I see plenty that points to "Japanese" from frame bits to the Shimano gruppo, BUT a few things that are more "European" to me: the hollow brake bridge (now crushed), as well as the style of chain stay bridge, plus the many cable stop braze-ons and that more sharply-bent fork blade...but still no definite ID.
Please confirm the seat post size and BB threadiing, if the HS has a 27.0 or 26.4 crown race that could also help (a little)

Above BB cable guides indicates 70's date, looks Japanese but no idea of maker. Don