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1simplexnut 11-28-24 08:31 PM

Bent ? or Not ?
 
Spotted this on a local auction site ,
I know what I think . seller says " It's special design for the forks and not damage.'':wtf:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ab88981b7.jpg

Steve B. 11-28-24 08:37 PM

Does the front wheel match the rear wheel. If a different wheel, might indicate a replacement wheel due to a front end collision that killed the wheel and bent the fork. Cause that fork looks bent to me.

Kontact 11-28-24 08:37 PM

Bent. And the paint is falling off where the metal stretched as it bent.

Doug Fattic 11-28-24 08:42 PM

I bet it was on a roof rack when the sleepy driver drove into his garage. To me it looks like the top of the door hit where the paint is missing. That fork is aluminum so it won't bend back as nicely as steel will bend.

PhilFo 11-28-24 08:46 PM

Maybe the seller is willing to pay your future oral maxillofacial and plastic surgeons.
Phil

MooneyBloke 11-28-24 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by 1simplexnut (Post 23404027)
Spotted this on a local auction site ,
I know what I think . seller says " It's special design for the forks and not damage.'':wtf:

While it may be lens distortion, it looks as if the top tube is bent around the cable insertion. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed.

Eyes Roll 11-28-24 09:20 PM

It's a used bike, anyway. When in doubt, pass.

You seem to be doubting. Used bikes are a dime a dozen.

Biker Pete 11-28-24 09:23 PM

Is that how the fork looks in the catalog picture?

repechage 11-28-24 09:44 PM

It is the Pinarello fork before Pinarello conceived the idea.

Custom by Crash

1simplexnut 11-28-24 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Eyes Roll (Post 23404050)
It's a used bike, anyway. When in doubt, pass.

You seem to be doubting. Used bikes are a dime a dozen.

Yes I was doubting , but seller was adamant about its specialness !
Cheers

Reynolds 11-28-24 10:02 PM

That seller has some nerve!

1simplexnut 11-28-24 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Reynolds (Post 23404063)
That seller has some nerve!

Or maybe he hit his head when he bent those forks ! :rolleyes:

billytwosheds 11-28-24 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by 1simplexnut (Post 23404027)
Spotted this on a local auction site ,
I know what I think . seller says " It's special design for the forks and not damage.'':wtf:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ab88981b7.jpg

Pads are bottomed out and also ready to burn a hole in the tire.

Could be an honest mistake but doubling down isn't a good look.

davester 11-28-24 11:48 PM

Ouch! I hurt just looking at that.

seagrade 11-28-24 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by 1simplexnut (Post 23404059)
Yes I was doubting , but seller was adamant about its specialness !
Cheers

Especially bent.

Looks like a Vitus 787 Futural, downmarket cousin of the 979. Quite a few, relatively speaking, were officially imported into New Zealand in the late 80s and perhaps early 90s. Not a single one had anything other than a forward-raked fork when new…

They’re out there.

randyjawa 11-28-24 11:54 PM

The fork is definitely bent. As another forum member indicated, the cracked and released paint indicates where the bend is. The owner might, for whatever reason, believe the fork to not be bent but he or she is wrong. Many times, over the years, I have been unlucky enough to run across bikes with bent frames or forks. The cracked paint, though not always present, always indicates that damage has occurred, as can be easily seen on this old Bottecchia...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d03aa37f7c.jpg

Cracked and flaking paint is not always present at a damage area but the damage is there, none the less. Can the damage be repaired? Of course it can. The question is, "is it worth it". In my mind, the damaged fork on the Legnano might not have been a deal breaker, but the damage, coupled with all the rust, meant time to pass but I bought the bike anyway...
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9527bb524a.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0fd92c5155.jpg

Why buy such a damaged bike - you can't have too many Legnano headbadges, or Universal 61 brake sets... You get the idea...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5bef35bce8.jpg

jj1092 11-29-24 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by MooneyBloke (Post 23404042)
While it may be lens distortion, it looks as if the top tube is bent around the cable insertion. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed.

And if you follow the straight line of the shifter cable near the shifters, you can see the bend in the downtube. Maybe a good donor bike.

Bianchigirll 11-29-24 06:48 AM

Sure looks bent to me. If it weren’t for the Vitus tubing, steel(?) sticker on the frame I’d say pass. But I’d be interested in trying to get a deal on it if the frame looks OK just because I’d like to try a nice steel Vitus frame.

someone I think a roof rack collision would force the blades forward no?

sbarner 11-29-24 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Fattic (Post 23404035)
I bet it was on a roof rack when the sleepy driver drove into his garage. To me it looks like the top of the door hit where the paint is missing. That fork is aluminum so it won't bend back as nicely as steel will bend.

For once, I'm going to disagree with Doug. That looks like straight on "hit something while riding" damage. Paint failure at the bend is very common. Some finishes are more flexible than others, and this fork took a good whack. It is also not at all unusual for the fork and/or frame to bend, but the front wheel to come through things just fine. Strength in steel is a bit like static vs sliding friction, in that once something starts moving, the resistance to that movement goes down. The bending starts where the structure is the weakest, and once it does the load everywhere else goes down, potentially staying below the point of failure.

In other words, the guy rode into something. Also, Hetchins may have built frames with curly forks, but I'll be glad to apologize to the seller if he can show me a catalog photo of this model with a bent fork. Otherwise, he's either willing to make up "facts" to push damaged product, or he's a bald-faced liar.

Reynolds 11-29-24 08:12 AM

When I read the title, I thought it might be about those forks that were built with the steerer tube aligned with the front blade edge (some Peugeots?). That could make the fork look like it's bent when it's actually straight. But this one is so evidently bent that it shouldn't even be discussed IMO.

Doug Fattic 11-29-24 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 23404148)
Sure looks bent to me. If it weren’t for the Vitus tubing, steel(?) sticker on the frame I’d say pass. But I’d be interested in trying to get a deal on it if the frame looks OK just because I’d like to try a nice steel Vitus frame.

The stocker on the side of the fork blade says aluminum. The sticker on the down tube near the shifters looks like the same sticker? So does that mean the frame is aluminum too? I'm not very familiar with many production bicycles and certainly not this one.

smd4 11-29-24 10:56 AM

To me, it’s fascinating that this question even needed to be asked.

seagrade 11-29-24 11:20 AM

I’m 100% certain the fork is bent. I’m almost as certain the frame is an aluminium Vitus 787 Futural. Let’s say 99.75%. It’s not steel. Neither fork nor frame.

The small raised sections on the fork crown and under the top end of the down tube are characteristic of Futurals. As is the painted finish, which was factory production for many of these frames.

Edit - found the listing. It’s a wrecked 787 Futural.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6a532c8296.png

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c215c784e2.png

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65d6a3a401.png

Trakhak 11-29-24 11:54 AM

Nothing says stolen like a high-end bike with a nearly bottomed-out saddle. And a bent fork and frame.

Kontact 11-29-24 12:56 PM

You can report fraudulent listings.


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