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Kontact 04-25-25 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff Neese (Post 23506552)
Fair enough. Your original question, though, was about hub width and fitting a 7-speed freewheel - nothing about chains. Were you thinking about using the original, vintage chain, and he set you straight? Or did you already know to use a new chain?

Before he ever mentioned the chain, I brought it up to save him the bother of discovering the problem for himself. Especially if you read the OP and understand that Gene pretty much asked if he can simply swap in the 7 speed freewheel - which sounds exactly like possibly leaving the original chain alone.

To which you opined that "I shouldn't be giving out advice on a cycling forum."

You really shouldn't be giving advice out on the C&V forum, Jeff. You are not only wrong, you added confusion to a subject everyone else was totally clear on and told someone being helpful to shut up.

Dumb.

Bike Gremlin 04-25-25 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff Neese (Post 23506271)
You've provided links to your own website. No surprise that you agree with yourself.

But if I have to pick someone that is wrong, it's not Sheldon Brown. He, along with every other source you care to look at, will tell you that 6, 7, and 8 speed chains are the same, and that's true for Shimano, KMC, and SRAM.

Like the OP, I have a 1985 Ironman (now on loan to my son) but I left it 6 speed. Guess which chain I used? Shimano HG71, which is a 6, 7, and 8 speed chain. My 1987 Fuji Del Rey is also a 6 speed. Same chain, the Shimano HG71. My Trek 750 and Specialized Sirrus are 8 speed - same chain. My MTBs are all 7 speed - same chain.

In fact all 14 of my bikes are 6, 7, or 8 speed. They all use the same chain and a Shimano HG71 is my standard. I keep one spare chain and know that it will fit all of my bikes. I'm not even sure I could buy something that says it's a "6 speed" chain. They typically advertise them as 8 speed, but they also fit 6 and 7 speed and most of them say that right on the packaging.

This is a ridiculous discussion that will do nothing to help anyone coming into this thread later on. The OP already knows he can use 6-7-8 speed chains on his bike, and anyone reading this in the future will just Google it and discover the same.

You’re not comprehending what I wrote - and you’re also confirming it.
Not that I see any point in arguing.
Hope my comment helped clarify things for those who are looking to understand.

Relja

maddog34 04-25-25 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 23500481)

i've worked with half the bands in those stacks. ran stage monitors for them. :)the Jesus and Mary Chain gig was the most memorable... some scalper fool sold 500 bogus tickets to the gig... several fights erupted at the door. The show was fun.
Bruce Cockburn was a really nice guy... great show too!
Sadly, Sonic Youth were all too young.,, they sucked back then. I watched a live show vid a few years ago... they've improved with age.

Trakhak 04-26-25 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by maddog34 (Post 23506597)
i've worked with half the bands in those stacks. ran stage monitors for them. :)the Jesus and Mary Chain gig was the most memorable... some scalper fool sold 500 bogus tickets to the gig... several fights erupted at the door. The show was fun.
Bruce Cockburn was a really nice guy... great show too!
Sadly, Sonic Youth were all too young.,, they sucked back then. I watched a live show vid a few years ago... they've improved with age.

I'd bet that lots of us would enjoy other stories from those days if you started a Foo thread.

One related second-hand story: throughout the '80's, a friend of mine was the stage manager for a major Motown star. At one venue, he told the local rig manager that one lighting truss looked too insecure and asked him to redo it. The local guy swore that it was plenty strong and, to prove it, hung from it with his full weight.

The truss collapsed, falling on and breaking both his legs.

genejockey 05-03-25 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 23504885)
I spent a little time counting teeth on the new, 7 speed freewheel and comparing it to the old one.

Old 6 speed: 13..15..17..19..22..26
New 7 speed 13..15..17..20..23..26..30

Slight difference in the gaps, but it should be pretty much what I was asking for - the same gears plus an extra lower one.

Epilogue:

I took it out for a ride, and I was not really satisfied with the shifting. It was hard to do a simple gear change without either overshifting, or worse, having the chain skate on the top of the teeth, especially when shifting to smaller cogs.

Back home on the stand, I noticed that the knuckles of the derailleur were not springing back as well as they should. So I took them apart, cleaned and regreased them, and then put them back together - which was tricky because somehow the threads on the inner cage, where the B-knuckle bolt threads in, had gotten messed up so that the bolt wouldn't thread in easily. So I took it all apart and spent a good 5-10 minute threading the bolt all the way in, undoing it all the way, and threading it in again, repeatedly, till it worked right - the poor man's thread chasing. Then I put it all back together, got it back on the bike, reinstalled the chain, and now that it is both taking up the slack and keeping the upper jockey wheel closer to the cogs, it shifts much better. I confirmed this on the road. Much easier to shift - usually just a flick of the lever, not even requiring an overshift and backing off. Still skated on the teeth once or twice, but nothing like the first ride.

I can't wait to take it for a long ride with some climbing!.

Kontact 05-03-25 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 23511723)
Epilogue:

I took it out for a ride, and I was not really satisfied with the shifting. It was hard to do a simple gear change without either overshifting, or worse, having the chain skate on the top of the teeth, especially when shifting to smaller cogs.

Back home on the stand, I noticed that the knuckles of the derailleur were not springing back as well as they should. So I took them apart, cleaned and regreased them, and then put them back together - which was tricky because somehow the threads on the inner cage, where the B-knuckle bolt threads in, had gotten messed up so that the bolt wouldn't thread in easily. So I took it all apart and spent a good 5-10 minute threading the bolt all the way in, undoing it all the way, and threading it in again, repeatedly, till it worked right - the poor man's thread chasing. Then I put it all back together, got it back on the bike, reinstalled the chain, and now that it is both taking up the slack and keeping the upper jockey wheel closer to the cogs, it shifts much better. I confirmed this on the road. Much easier to shift - usually just a flick of the lever, not even requiring an overshift and backing off. Still skated on the teeth once or twice, but nothing like the first ride.

I can't wait to take it for a long ride with some climbing!.

Seems like the older Shimano pantograph derailleurs had fairly strong B springs that could tend to pull the derailleur back when not working perfectly. Glad you were able to fix it up.


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