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panzerwagon 07-23-25 07:28 PM

Decided to use a top-pull front derailleur with a 31.8 clamp on bike with 28.6 tubes and downtube cable routing. Shimmed the clamp with a piece of pvc water pipe split open. Made a clamp-on pulley using a one sided downtube shifter mount clamp and a plastic pulley wheel from a kids toy. Mounted pulley clamp on the seat tube above the FD clamp to reverse the cable from bottom pull to top-pull. A week after this madness decided to buy a suitable FD. :twitchy:

Aubergine 07-23-25 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by panzerwagon (Post 23569903)
Decided to use a top-pull front derailleur with a 31.8 clamp on bike with 28.6 tubes and downtube cable routing. Shimmed the clamp with a piece of pvc water pipe split open. Made a clamp-on pulley using a one sided downtube shifter mount clamp and a plastic pulley wheel from a kids toy. Mounted pulley clamp on the seat tube above the FD clamp to reverse the cable from bottom pull to top-pull. A week after this madness decided to buy a suitable FD. :twitchy:

This perfectly describes many of my own experiments in setting up bikes.

boardwalk 07-23-25 09:51 PM

I remember reading in a Alt bike culture book where they said to use a mtn thumbie lever as a front brake lever for a fixie. It just sounded very dangerous and that you wouldn't have any leverage. 😂

RCMoeur 07-23-25 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Aubergine (Post 23569832)
I understand it to mean Ultimate Integration. I can understand where it came from but geeze it is an ugly word.

I beg to differ(entiate). Over what variables is Shimano integrating, and wouldn't you leave such functions to the next higher power, e.g. Dura Ace?

RCMoeur 07-23-25 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by panzerwagon (Post 23569903)
Decided to use a top-pull front derailleur with a 31.8 clamp on bike with 28.6 tubes and downtube cable routing. Shimmed the clamp with a piece of pvc water pipe split open. Made a clamp-on pulley using a one sided downtube shifter mount clamp and a plastic pulley wheel from a kids toy. Mounted pulley clamp on the seat tube above the FD clamp to reverse the cable from bottom pull to top-pull. A week after this madness decided to buy a suitable FD. :twitchy:

"Wow, it made it up to the top tube really fast."

Disregard - missed the "downtube cable routing". Nothing to see here. Move along.

Bianchi84 07-24-25 05:50 AM

I modified my Zefal Solibloc pump to fit into the Suntour XC seatpost of my 1985 Cannondale SM 600. Works great!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3187788dce.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8be861d958.jpg

Trakhak 07-24-25 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by RCMoeur (Post 23569796)
Shimano's thinking might have been to mix "integrity" with "ulterior motives."

Just looked up the dates: the Acura Integra came out in 1986 and Shimano Ultegra in 1987. Could be a coincidence.

pastorbobnlnh 07-24-25 12:34 PM

Here's a picture of my 54-speed Cannondale.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c9f75839fb.jpg
I recently switched out the bars that I bought from Velo Orange. While browsing their site I spotted this front rack at a great price of $40 something. It's designed specifically for a certain type of bars which have four mounting points. I thought I could make it work with a bit of creativity.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af8d9d4109.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b24a7cbc39.jpg
At the bars I used two of VO's handlebar water cage mounts. However, it still needed support from below. I had the struts from an unused rear rack, but where and how would I attach them to the frame or fork? The Headshok suspension presents challenges. The brake bosses were not an option.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14bc463caf.jpg
Fortunately the bottom of the headset is rather thick and beefy, and covered by a rubber boot. I immediately thought about a hose clamp, but didn't have any on hand that would fit.

For now I'm using a length of chain secured with two zip ties. Two screws, positioned 180 degrees apart, are bolted through links in the chain. The eyelets at the end of the struts are then bolted to the screws. The valve stem covers protect me from the rough edges where I shortened the screws.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e03766f22f.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3e7790ecd.jpg
I still need to test ride it with a load, but so far it is working. I do plan to refine this setup with a hose clamp in the future.

RCMoeur 07-24-25 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 23570283)
Here's a picture of my 54-speed Cannondale.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c9f75839fb.jpg
I recently switched out the bars that I bought from Velo Orange. While browsing their site I spotted this front rack at a great price of $40 something. It's designed specifically for a certain type of bars which have four mounting points. I thought I could make it work with a bit of creativity.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af8d9d4109.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b24a7cbc39.jpg
At the bars I used two of VO's handlebar water cage mounts. However, it still needed support from below. I had the struts from an unused rear rack, but where and how would I attach them to the frame or fork? The Headshok suspension presents challenges. The brake bosses were not an option.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14bc463caf.jpg
Fortunately the bottom of the headset is rather thick and beefy, and covered by a rubber boot. I immediately thought about a hose clamp, but didn't have any on hand that would fit.

For now I'm using a length of chain secured with two zip ties. Two screws, positioned 180 degrees apart, are bolted through links in the chain. The eyelets at the end of the struts are then bolted to the screws. The valve stem covers protect me from the rough edges where I shortened the screws.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e03766f22f.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3e7790ecd.jpg
I still need to test ride it with a load, but so far it is working. I do plan to refine this setup with a hose clamp in the future.

Clever. Ingenious. Insane. And just the type of thinking that is needed in this world in these turbulent times.

I myself would have used baling wire instead of zip ties, but around here the sun is more ruthless than moisture in destroying ad hoc connectors.

So which expendable small child will sit on it for the testing? :)

ShannonM 07-24-25 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 23570283)
I recently switched out the bars that I bought from Velo Orange. While browsing their site I spotted this front rack at a great price of $40 something. It's designed specifically for a certain type of bars which have four mounting points. I thought I could make it work with a bit of creativity.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af8d9d4109.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b24a7cbc39.jpg

A few thoughts:
  1. Homebrew Computer Club - level hackery here. This, ladies & gentlemen, is how it's done.
  2. Velo Orange needs to make versions of (at least) their Porteur and Tourist bars with the hardpoints for this rack. Currently, if you think this is a neat idea, you're stuck with a clunker-style bar.
  3. The HeadShok is itself a product of Cannondale's Cave of Bad Ideas, and thus belongs in this thread anyway. The only way it would be more so is if it were a Lefty HeadShok.
  4. I've always wanted to play around with a mid-Naughties Bad Boy. I sold exactly one, to guy with a clapped-out old 80s MTB and like 3 DUIs. It had been sitting in the shop for like a year and a half, maybe two. He absolutely loved that bike. I rode it, and dug it enough that I considered buying it. Only thing was that in 2003, MTB bars were straight bars, which I hate. Nowadays, with something like V-O Crazy Bars, or the alloy version of the Surly Corner Bar, it'd be a main street rocket ship.
Cool bike, Rev!

--Shannon

Wildwood 07-24-25 02:09 PM

buying a Zeus frameset and thinking "what fun it might be to re-Zeus this thing" - when donor bikes are above the budget limit and individual matching components are not readily available.

Cave of Bad Ideas = aka, Labor of Love - Been there, in one sense of the phrase, occasionally.

But a wonky implementation or weird component attempt is not a fault I will readily admit to.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30a9054a5.jpeg
Still in the box.

Darth Lefty 07-24-25 02:43 PM

No photos, but I've long been mixing and matching SRAM and Shimano 1x11-speed MTB stuff. I just did it 12 speed for the first time, to my kid's bike so he could have a Shimano shifter, and told MTBR about it. Another denizen hooted at me of course it couldn't possibly work, according to the chart he found the Shimano system is 3.seven mm per click while the SRAM is 3.six.


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 23569945)
I thought it might be a nod to the Island of Misfit Toys (1964).

There's a direct line from these guys to Sid in Toy Story. They all need a visit to Doc McStuffins

jPrichard10 07-24-25 03:15 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...386e6b0685.jpg

On the automobile side, I've been having problems with the back hatch on my car. My temporary fix works great.

ShannonM 07-24-25 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by RCMoeur (Post 23570307)
So which expendable small child will sit on it for the testing? :)

They're expendable. Why should they care which one gets used?

--Shannon

ShannonM 07-24-25 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by jPrichard10 (Post 23570400)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...386e6b0685.jpg

On the automobile side, I've been having problems with the back hatch on my car. My temporary fix works great.

Can you find a hood that fits that lever?

--Shannon

52telecaster 07-25-25 04:01 AM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e9e706d392.jpg
Mounting a dynamo light intended for a rear rack on a rear seat stay. I never use rear racks and this mounting is easier and cheaper than a fender mount tail light. Bright as hell too!

steelbikeguy 07-25-25 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 (Post 23569726)
IMO THE dumbest idea of all time is the downtube shifters.
....

clearly you have not come across the Campagnolo Cambio Corsa!
To shift, you just reach behind you and grab the upper lever to unlock the quick release.
Then you grab the lower lever, back pedal, and use the lever to move the chain to whatever freewheel cog you want.
Then just grab the upper lever and lock the quick release.
That's it! What could be easier?!

https://www.flickr.com/photo_downloa...ret=09133c654e

Seen here on a bike displayed by the late Mike Barry of Mariposa Cycles at one of the Classic Rendezvous gatherings.
As always, a familiarity with history tends to make you more satisfied with some of the inconveniences that you've dealt with. :)

Steve in Peoria

steelbikeguy 07-25-25 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by jPrichard10 (Post 23570400)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...386e6b0685.jpg

On the automobile side, I've been having problems with the back hatch on my car. My temporary fix works great.

why does this remind me of the saying "There's nothing so permanent as a temporary fix"? ;)
You do need to attach that lever to the hatch structure somehow, just to provide a means of pulling on the lever. Or hack off a bit of old handlebar and fit that to the lever?

Steve in Peoria (rather impressed, to be honest!)

jPrichard10 07-25-25 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by steelbikeguy (Post 23570808)
why does this remind me of the saying "There's nothing so permanent as a temporary fix"? ;)
You do need to attach that lever to the hatch structure somehow, just to provide a means of pulling on the lever. Or hack off a bit of old handlebar and fit that to the lever?

Steve in Peoria (rather impressed, to be honest!)

The hatch handle is flawed, so the cable has fallen out two or three times, necessitating me taking the whole back panel off to reconnect it. I was surprised the first time that it looks exactly like a bike brake cable and thought of the idea, but it only took three or four more times before I finally did it.

I can operate the lever one handed just fine. The real problem is having to crawl through the back of the car to reach the lever!

I know what you're all thinking: cable extender so I can operate it from the driver's seat 😂

ShannonM 07-25-25 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by jPrichard10 (Post 23570824)
I know what you're all thinking: cable extender so I can operate it from the driver's seat 😂

The really Bad Idea would be to use those in-line cable splitters for take-down bikes and fast bar swaps. That way, you can disconnect the cable at the trunk end for extra security!

--Shannon

jPrichard10 08-03-25 04:30 PM

Finally found the photo:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fdbaa54922.png

Kevin7 08-03-25 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by jPrichard10 (Post 23577711)

That chainline could just be an optical illusion. :twitchy:

ShannonM 08-03-25 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Kevin7 (Post 23577723)
That chainline could just be an optical illusion. :twitchy:

Gotta be... there's actually two curves in it. It's an s-bend, which you really wouldn't think possible.

It's kinda like the "Archer's Paradox," but for fixed-gear bikes. "Fixie Paradox?"

--Shannon

ShannonM 11-25-25 02:37 PM

Front Derailluer Setup Hack
 
Setting up front derailleurs is really friggin' annoying. It's not complicated, and it isn't difficult. What it is is irritating.

And one of the most, indeed, to my mind, the most annoying part about it is setting the mounting height of the damned things. It sucks. And the reason that it sucks is that you have to set the clearance between the derailleur's cage and the top of the big ring's teeth. Which sucks. And the reason that that sucks is that you have to simultaneously hold the derailleur at full extension with one hand while sliding it up / down the seat tube and setting the angle with the other. Which, unless you're using a Spirt*, means you're fighting the spring. With your fingers. Which really sucks.

And so, as I was trying to unbork the front shifting on the PPPKN-10, (of which more elsewhere,) and complaining about the lameness, when, inspired by the movement of the derailleur when I loosened the cable pinch bolt, and by a post about a centerpull adjustment hack that used the old cable upside down, which I can sadly not find, the Gnomes handed this up from the Cave of Bad Ideas:

What if I took the cable pinch bolt and threaded it into the arm from the other side, so that tighten it would move the derailleur outward?

So I tried it.
And it works.
And it's pretty awesome.
(And an Ultegra 9-speed triple front derailleur doesn't like a 26t granny, at least not with a 48t big ring. Back to the Nuovo Gran Sport, which was working fine before the Saga of the Bottom Brackets.)

Anywho, that's today's Bad Idea. Which is now open to criticism, and even outright mockery.

--Shannon

*It just occurred to me that this may have been the question to which Suntour's top-normal front derailleurs were supposed to be the answer. Yet another reason that I should build a fully reverse-buttocked drivetrain someday. RapidRise and Spirt... two dumb names for one dumb idea!

stemwinder 11-25-25 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 23569707)
Frankly, I don’t like the name. The idea is only “bad” if it doesn’t work and even then you learn something. As someone once told me, “you can always talk yourself out of an experiment.”

Good point. Although...


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