A friend asked if this was real Cinelli
 

https://ebay.us/m/Ie6X42



let’s name the signs

I’ll start, says it’s a 50s -60s yet has a modern decal

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4ceed96f9.jpeg

Smile and wave.

Depends on what you mean by "real."

I think it probably exists in the material dimension and wasn't hallucinated by AI.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4efaff4e6.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2399a9799.jpeg

"As far as i’m aware it is.."

... enough of a hedge to claim anything. :thumb:

Throw it in the pool and see if it sinks or floats.

Rapid-taper chainstays, which AFAIK were Reynolds only, so maybe English? Could be French too, the threading and tube diameters would tell the tale.

Cinelli is the one brand we know for sure it isn't.

I wonder if brazing only one side of the chainstay bridge was done for a reason? Verically compliant, laterally stiff? ;)

If it floats, burn it, it's a witch!

from the bayer's description

"As far as i’m aware it is Cinelli was known to use Nervex lugs and Catalina drop outs as well as the italian threads would date it around late 50s to mid 60s"

You can see the NERVEX stamp on the BB

I had a Bob Jackson with a brake bridge brazed only on one side during the bike boom days. My teammate at the time, Tom Ritchey, repaired it for me and didn't rib me too badly for not buying a frame from him instead. Ah, hindsight!

As for the "Cinelli" I like the fork crown. Round blades might not be ideal for a road bike but I sure like the look.
Brent

Too bad it doesn't have the original bars and stem. If they were Nitto that would definitely peg it as a 50s Cinelli.