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Old 10-24-05, 12:26 PM
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Raleigh Professional help....

hello,

i just picked up a Raleigh, but unfortunalty it has been repainted. he even said he painted over the crome lugs. now why would anybody do that? haha

anyways, its full campy. the serial starts with a E. so 1970.

the forks are not the typical sloped forks like the Pro. but it has campy dropouts. was there another modle that had campy dropouts? its also a 10 speed instead of 12. and in 1969 suposedly the Pro was the 1st witha 12 speed.

also, the guy before me has 700c rims, but there is tons of clearence, and the brake pads are all the way down, and they barley fit. was the pro 27" rims?

i will post a better pix later.

any help to figure out this bike would be Appreciated.
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Old 10-24-05, 12:35 PM
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also, i thought it was a International at 1st, but it has Campy breaks and levers. and no mounts for center pulls.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...rnational.html

and the international has crome lugs.

any help??? im going crazy...... haha
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Old 10-24-05, 12:54 PM
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nah. you already were crazy, or you wouldn't have been messing with old bicycles in the first place. This isn't a Professional that I'm familiar with. As far as I know the Pro's always had 700c wheels, and they fit fairly closely. I'm not familiar with bikes as old as 1970...check out Retro Raleighs for clues - we need to see closer photos of the head tube lugs, the seat cluster, the brake bridge before we can tell you what you have there. btw, an upgrade to campy brakes was a pretty standard manoeuver in the past, and that may have been what happened here.

I tend to favor your International guess. The International and some versions of the competition would have come with campy dropouts.
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Really do need better pics.... Why are you sure it's a Raleigh Pro?
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It's an International.
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Old 10-24-05, 02:48 PM
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well, i thought it was a international, because of the fork and the routing for the brakes. but it has no rear bracket for the centerpulls (or got cut off?), like in the catalog for 1970. also, in the 1970 catalog it says 27" rims. the lugs look like the inter and not the pro. maybe its a interprofessional?

here are some more pictures:
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Looks like an International, but someone cut the rear cable stop off before repainting. Not uncommon... Centerpulls were "out" by the late '70s.
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Old 10-24-05, 06:23 PM
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International! Nervex lugs, eyelets on the drops.

Replace that Chorus with a super record crank, maybe put 27's back on 'er and clean up a little of that unsightly chainstay gap...put the turkey back on the front (eBay, usually, over in Transportation>Bicycles>Other) and go to mswantak for some vintage transfers, and you'll have a sweet vintage piece (blue wasn't a factory color, but the paint looks good, and it has already been hacked a little, so you don't have to worry about authenticity!
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Old 10-24-05, 06:40 PM
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I have a 1970 Professional frame, I've spent countless hours sanding down that Professional frame (E3245), and your bike is no Professional.

The Professional has the "plain" long point lugs, and has the arched rear brake stop brace, and in that year of manufacture had no chrome.

Looks like a nice machine none-the-less. The International was meant to be functional and elegant. Yours is nearly there.
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Like luker said, I can fix you up with a decal set when you're ready.
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sweet, i thought it was a International 1st. but thought, what the hell, no rear backet, o well, i can always put one hanging from the seat stay.

and luker...

what do you mean by: unsightly chainstay gap

and

put the turkey back on the front, do you mean the badge?? ive been looking....

thanx guys!! it is a nice bike and it will fit in with my 14 others.... haha
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I think I understand Lukerese. The 27" wheels are larger than 700c - hence making the gap between frame and tire smaller. Also - his turkey is our heron.
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Shows what luker knows; a '70 shouldn't have the 'turkey' anyway -- it should have the oval 'Anniversary' badge.

broomhandlde, an e-mail is coming your way.
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haha, i saw all 70's had the aniversary badge. thats going to be next to impossible to find. haha. and the 1970 cat shows the pro and the inter having 27" rims. its has 700's now. i tried 27's and it handles so much better with the 700's. and the only center pulls i have are some Mafac Racers.... haha
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Ick! Mafacs would look nasty on an International -- I don't care how well they work. I'd leave the Campy sidepulls. I saw an Annivesary badge on eBay a couple weeks ago, but it's gone now. Like I e-mailed you though, that can be worked around. I'm with luker on the Campy SR crank; to me any other crank just looks wrong on an International.

And for heaven's sake, get the paint off those chrome head lugs?
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haha, i was joking about the Mafacs. yeah, i was going to pull the crank, is it suposed to be a Super Record? and thats curently the only crank i have. haha, a Sake would look worse!

and for the Chrome lugs, i wonder, if i took paint thinner, would it ruin anything? ugh... scary...
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I think I'd try to chip some off with an X-Acto on the underside somewhere, and see how it wants to come off. Unless whoever painted it sanded the chrome lugs ( ) it ought to come off fairly easily. Solvent's just going to make a mess, I think. An International without chrome head lugs is like an old Buick with no portholes -- it just ain't right.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
The Professional has the "plain" long point lugs.
Look at the head lugs on this Pro. I don't remember ever seeing these on a Pro before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1972-Ral...QQcmdZViewItem
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The '73 catalog shows them on the track Pro.
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Originally Posted by mswantak
..An International without chrome head lugs is like an old Buick with no portholes -- it just ain't right.
The'yre not simply holes, they're ventiports ! The International doesn't look all that bad with painted lugs; Nervex Pros are cool anyway. For brakes on that one, I'd go with the original Weinmann, and use a TA cable stop that doubles as the seat binder bolt.
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yeah, i was goinna put on a seat cable stop. i dont know about uncovering thoose chrome lugs. too riskey. i wish it had chrome, but i can live with it.
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and send me the campy record brakes for proper disposal. They're an environmental nuisance, ya know.
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haha, i bought the bike for the cranks and brakes. sorry they already have a home. i just need to find the proper ones for this with out shelling out some bucks!
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The original brakes would have been Weinmann, and they're cheap and common. You'll have a harder time finding the white Carlton brake hoods, but they're out there as well, and thankfully, they last a long time. BTW, here's what the TA cable stop/seat binder looks like:
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy
The original brakes would have been Weinmann
Specifically, 999 Vainquer centerpulls. I believe both front and rear are model 650.
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