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Old 11-02-05, 10:32 AM
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80s Tommasini Super Prestige

I have done a few searches on this bike and while everyone has good things to say about Tommasini's in general, I was wondering if anyone had actual experience with the Super Prestige. There is one in my area that I might purchase for the following reasons:

1. I would like a classic steel bike to upgrade (this one has original/older parts currently)
2. I am tall but have a short torso and I was told classic Italian geometry has a shorter top tube (does anyone know if this is true of the Super Prestige in particular?)
3. I'm looking for something nice but reasonably priced - this one is around $250-300

Thanks in advance for your comments!
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The Super Prestige was an very nice frameset. According to my old catalogs the Super Prestige has the following seat and top tube combinations:

50 cm seat tube with 51cm top tube
52cm seat tube with 53cm top tube
54cm seat tube with 54.5cm top tube
56cm seat tube with a 55.5cm top tube
58cm seattube with a 56.5cm top tube
60cm seat tube with a 57.5cm top tube
62cm seat tube with a 58.5cm top tube

Unfortunately, the literature does not state if the seat tube dimension is measured center to center or center to top.
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Originally Posted by SenorCardgage
I have done a few searches on this bike and while everyone has good things to say about Tommasini's in general, I was wondering if anyone had actual experience with the Super Prestige. There is one in my area that I might purchase for the following reasons:
1. I would like a classic steel bike to upgrade (this one has original/older parts currently)
2. I am tall but have a short torso and I was told classic Italian geometry has a shorter top tube (does anyone know if this is true of the Super Prestige in particular?)
3. I'm looking for something nice but reasonably priced - this one is around $250-300
Thanks in advance for your comments!
Can't say I 'rode' one, but I did get to 'tool' around a park loop once on another guy's Tomma, not sure what model. But I would say the 'finish' made my Colnago look like a BMT car (which really wasn't/isn;t hard to do). Was full Panto and a striking combo of yellow and accents. Shorter? Don;t remember... ride, like the Colnago only 'harder'. But then it was brandy spankin new with New SR and SM NR Wheels, and going off my old Campy Tipo Hubs/Fiamme Red Labels training wheelz would make anything seem 'stiffer', "faster'.

$250 -$300? whadda steal if it ain't tweaked anywhere.

If the Tomma doesn;t work out I would suggest looking at the 'Titan' frame on ebay, a supashort TT, as 'Eye-D' frames go, I'm gonna be running a 135 stem on mine (and I need a booster seat when I sit down to eat).

Not sure that you would say Eye-D frames are 'short' TT, depends on the builder's style. But if T-Mar's spec sheet is correct then the Tomma would be considered short. My Colnago Super is very close to 'square' in tube length (not in angles though...), but it is an odd bird. Very 'Old' Style 60s road dimensions with longggg chainstay combined with typical steeper late 70s-80s headtube angles. Somehow I think it was originally built with 'someone' in mind and then, somehow/somewhy, was put in with all the other 'Off-The-Rack' Super Frames that came to the states.
Anyway...
Have any pics of the Tomma? would be interesting to see...
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Old 11-02-05, 12:29 PM
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Thanks for the specs T-Mar, I think this one is either a 56 or a 58 so the TT looks good for me on both of those. Unfortunately I just heard that the bike got sold before I could go look at it.

Evidently it was a steal, Cyclzen. I will keep my eyes out for a Titan frame though. Thanks!
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Old 11-02-05, 05:10 PM
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SenorCardgage, I'm sorry to here that the deal slipped theough your fingers.

Cyclezen, here's a pic of a Super Prestige in my favourite paint scheme. Enjoy, as it truly is a work of art.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
SenorCardgage, I'm sorry to here that the deal slipped theough your fingers.
Cyclezen, here's a pic of a Super Prestige in my favourite paint scheme. Enjoy, as it truly is a work of art.
From purely an esthetic view, how can anyone look at any of the modern stuff and then comparing with this (or any steel from 70's or 80's) and not see this as a pinnacle of design.
Form does (and should) follow function, but the current stuff is so 'unimproved' that its hard to swallow a lot of it. The new wheels are really nice, but the abundance of crap logoing is truly foul. The threadless stem thingie is prolly a nice weight savings, but why hasn't any maker made one that doesn't degrade the whole bike asthetic? Why do they all have to look like railroad car hardware?
I understand that tastes change and this may all be a new asthetic reflecting a need for 'power' instead of 'balance'; but it stinks. I see only degradation from what I would consider the high mark of this type - Kestrel. Sure the modern carbon is prolly many generations beyond kestrels, but are they (the makers) that impaired that they can't do faux design? I mean, pinched stays that are 'spposed' to be 'fast' but in fact are just chessy attempts at a 'look' and in fact limit what rubber you can run.
I lUV new stuff, and many of the new components are fabulous evolution, but many are not. IS this a RANT? or a dose of 'real value'?
Comparing this Tomma (or any nice steel) to even the 'finest' (not my def.) of modern bi-cycles is like comparing a Ferrari 250 GT to some thing that runs on NASCAR. Yuk!
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Tommasinis are measured center of bottom bracket to top of the top tube. The first Tommasini I bought several years ago was black and silver with chromed stays and fork and head tube lugs. However, once I got it I found it had a small ding in the top tube. I had other frames that didn't have any cosmetic issues, so I thought about passing it on. Something about the brilliance of the paint, the unmarked chrome, and the combination it presented to my eyes led me to build it and try it.

The ride was so nice that I found it was becoming my bike of choice when I went out to ride. I am not sure what the magic of the Tommasini ride was, or is. I have had many bikes that were the same size as the Tommasini Super Prestige. I use the same components on all my bikes, including tires and wheels and saddles and bars and stems, so I don't think it is caused by different builds. I think it is the result of Irio Tommasini's legendary frame building skill, the geometry of the bike that fits me so well, and the pride in being on a bike that I think looks so nice.

I rode that Tommasini for a year or so, but my bike lust got the better of me. I have to sell stuff to buy new stuff, I took it down and sold it. I immediately regretted it, and began looking for another Super Prestige. Last year, I found one and immediately bought it. I built it up, and have no plans to make the same selling mistake twice.
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Originally Posted by cyclezen
. . .The threadless stem thingie is prolly a nice weight savings, but why hasn't any maker made one that doesn't degrade the whole bike asthetic? Why do they all have to look like railroad car hardware? . . .
what I like to call mountain bike ugly (apologies to MTB aficionados everywhere).

This is one Rant I can get onto anytime.
To me Tommasini was (and is) the pinacle of Italian design. It was
always the the cadillac of italian bikes for me (and I mean that
in a good way).
Yes there are some very nice bikes being produced currently,
but not many.
There is something inherently wrong with these
sloping top tubed, square, tig welded monstrosities.
they have no style, and that is just wrong.
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ahhh...the pinnacle. Better than, say, Pogliaghi?
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yah, in terms of "plush, paintwork and eyecandy" ride
ain't too bad either.
Now if we are talking track bikes? Pogliaghi hands down,
not for looks, etc. but for a purpose built bike.

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Originally Posted by SenorCardgage View Post
I have done a few searches on this bike and while everyone has good things to say about Tommasini's in general, I was wondering if anyone had actual experience with the Super Prestige. There is one in my area that I might purchase for the following reasons:

1. I would like a classic steel bike to upgrade (this one has original/older parts currently)
2. I am tall but have a short torso and I was told classic Italian geometry has a shorter top tube (does anyone know if this is true of the Super Prestige in particular?)
3. I'm looking for something nice but reasonably priced - this one is around $250-300

Thanks in advance for your comments!
That is a steal for a super prestige... what is the condition of the bike? If you send me a pic I can tell you what it's worth and if you give me the serial number I can tell you more about that frame.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Unfortunately, the literature does not state if the seat tube dimension is measured center to center or center to top.

Tomassinis sized their frames center-top for seat tube measurements, in all of the references I have seen. Colorado Cyclist used to carry Tomassini frames, and that is how they sized them. Whenever I have seen them for sale from reputable sources (eg, dealers) on eBay, they also list the seat tube sizes as center-top.
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Originally Posted by tarwheel View Post
Tomassinis sized their frames center-top for seat tube measurements, in all of the references I have seen. Colorado Cyclist used to carry Tomassini frames, and that is how they sized them. Whenever I have seen them for sale from reputable sources (eg, dealers) on eBay, they also list the seat tube sizes as center-top.
That is correct - we size center to top (but just slightly below the top) - on our measurements the code is listed as ST (http://www.ridetommasini.com/measurements.html)
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I recently bought a Super prestige with the black,grey,white and yellow marble finish. It came with full Suntour superbe pro. It still is my favorite bike to ride and I've got some cool ones. Love the Tommasini!! fastereddy.
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The asking price for the OP's Tommasini is incredibly low. But it immediately! I have a Tommasini Prestige and I really like the bicycle. Let's see some pictures of your, please...
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The asking price for the OP's Tommasini is incredibly low. But it immediately!
OPs post was in '05...Think that steal of a deal is long passed! But, yes please post some pics of yours, Fastereddy.

This is by far my favorite ride to date. Unfortunately, it might be next spring before she's allowed to come out to play again.
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i had one in 87 or so with black/gray marble-ized finish, w/ yellow accents and decals, full Dura Ace, which lasted with me for about 6 weeks before being stolen out of my house...which caused me to walk away from cycling and racing altogether....i would love to have another
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