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Old 11-09-05, 03:15 PM
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Paganini with Super Record

I bought a bike today that I have absolutely no need of. I feel that sites like this one has made me have unwholesome desires for an older lugged Italian steel bike with Campagnolo Record. So even though I have never heard of this bike brand before, I bought it for the equivalent of 260 us dollars. The seller said he bought it in 85, raced it one season and gave up cycling, so he estimates mileage at 4000. I have always wanted a bike with the thingy under the toptube where you screw on the number plate. This one has one. Anybody know anything about Paganini bicycles ? A swedish website says they were made at the Ciocc workshop ? Found one Pro team list from 84 that lists a Paganini team coming in third last that year.
Seller claims full Super Record group (steel campy headset though). Came with two wheelsets both Record hubs with GP 4 tubular rims. I will post some photos when I have cleaned it up.
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Old 11-09-05, 06:18 PM
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You got a good deal. Post dem pictures! You could ride it and sing opera. Preferably while eating lasagna and and drinking Vallipolcella. up hill.
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Originally Posted by luker
You got a good deal. Post dem pictures! You could ride it and sing opera. Preferably while eating lasagna and and drinking Vallipolcella. up hill.
Seconded - Post Pics!

*wishes he could get his hands on such bikes for those prices*

... the search continues...
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Old 11-11-05, 02:51 PM
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[QUOTE=plodderslusk]I bought a bike today that I have absolutely no need of. QUOTE]
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Old 11-11-05, 10:26 PM
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One never needs more than the bike that one has. However, if you want to have an excess, bikes are the best thing to have an excess of, IMHO. Don't getcha in trouble like drugs, money, women, or liquor would.

A truly beautiful machine, btw, and one of the coolest brand names in the world.
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Old 11-12-05, 05:31 AM
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I had one (Celeste, like a Bianchi). Great frame, bombproof, made to race on the cobbles. Columbus SLX, very similar vintage, probably identical to the one in the pics. Same chrome head tube and chrome stays, brazed on number boss, brake cable ran through the top tube as well. The stylised 'P' for Paganini is actually engraved in the headtube. The fork in mine was absolutley beautiful. The sweep took in nearly the whole fork blade. Magic! It was given to me by a Gent based six day rider who had it custom built for himself.

I always thought Paganini was a house brand for the Plum Vainquer shop in Gent, Belgium. I was in there recently. They had Paganini branded aluminuim frames hanging in the shop. If you really want to find out the history you could email Plum or call them there to find out. Most of the staff speak english.

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Old 03-10-06, 07:12 PM
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I had a Paganini stolen in that era in New York City. A friend had bought the frameset in Ghent and we hand built it into the complete bike from components. It was blue, with barcon shifters and I can give more specifics if that little bit of info matches. I would love to get that bike back even if I have to pay for it twice. We assembled it piece by piece as my personal dream bike.

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Old 03-13-06, 08:27 PM
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Paganini was arguably the greatest violinist of the 19th Century. I didn't know he made bikes.
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I had a geography professor at the UofF Paganini. He was US Navy retiree. Funny though, he never mentioned his namesakes in violins or bicycles. He did have endless tales of places that needed to be toured throughout central and south America.
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Old 09-25-06, 11:07 AM
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Drop me a line....im a Pag owner as well

Hiya,
ive had my full chrome and red laquered model from around '84. Still have it in fantastic condition. I'll post some pics if your interested.

I built up the bike after seeing the frame in the shop window; cant think about getting rid of it. It's like one of my kids!!!

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Old 09-28-06, 02:53 PM
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Pic of my 84 Paganini. Campag Chorous Mk 1 kit.
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Old 09-28-06, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by vicsutton
Pic of my 84 Paganini. Campag Chorous Mk 1 kit.
Nice looking bike. That's red lacquer over the chrome? How is that holding up?
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Old 09-28-06, 09:56 PM
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Beautiful Pananini!
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Old 09-29-06, 04:22 AM
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Classic1 is right about Paganini being a house brand of Plum Vainqueur; the frames were made by Torpado (Italy).
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Old 09-30-06, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by vicsutton
Pic of my 84 Paganini. Campag Chorous Mk 1 kit.
Vic

Cool bike. Love those forks. Look at the sweep. Magic.

The guy who gave me mine also had a copper coloured one. You reckon that didn't look the shizzle?!

By the way, are you related to this Vic Sutton http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebik...vicsutton.html ?
If so, wow!!! You should post here more!

If not, post here more anyway!

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Old 09-30-06, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by s70rguy
Classic1 is right about Paganini being a house brand of Plum Vainqueur; the frames were made by Torpado (Italy).
Thanks s70rguy. A few posters on another thread were speculating who made them. It was suggested Ciocc. Certainly some of the Cioccs and supposedly Ciocc made Concordes from the 80's bore remarkable resemblance to the Paganinis.

Certainly some semblence to this Torpado too.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...ght_52PrlBlue/

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Old 10-01-06, 06:22 AM
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Thanks Classic1. Glad you like the bike. I'll post some more detailed pics soon. The bike originally had the Dura Ace Ax kit on it as it was cheaper than Super Record (I had already blown most of my student grant on buying the frame!). It wasnt long before I realised my mistake; never quite had the classic look and feel. Managed to get a complete Chorus kit (except seat-post, which was for a Vitus 979 frame) and it instantly felt more enjoyable to ride.

Only wish I was the "Vic Sutton" from the link http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebik...vicsutton.html !!!!!
Funny how its the first page that comes back from Google search when you enter the name. Ive followed cycling from the 70s through the end of Merckx reign , Sean Kelly, Roche etc, but never knew of the guy until Google came along.

Do you still have your Pag frame ? Any pictures ? Would be great to see more. Ive learn't more in this one thread about the name that I've managed to find out in 20+ years.

Found this reference http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2006...anielLewis.htm.

Anyone know of any more pics/information around , then please drop a line.

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Thanks 55/Rad.

Yer, red lacquer over the chrome. Most of the main tubes/graphics are fine. There has been soom stone-chips on the downtube and some flaking on the BB, but generally nothing that can't be patched with red nail varnish. Not too bad condition for a 22 year old frame. Have to admit, ive never really taken the bike out in the rain, which has probably helped keep it in good shape.
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Old 10-01-06, 09:19 AM
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I don't have the frame anymore Vic. It was passed back to its original owner when he got a head rush and wanted to ride again when his Pommie Olympic champion son first started getting some international results.

I don't know if he still has it because he moved interstate and I haven't heard from him for a couple of years.

I just remembered that another mate of mine had a Paganini track frame (same source as mine!). I might ask him if he still has it.
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That's purty!
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Old 12-09-06, 02:33 PM
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More pics as promised

Some more pictures showing detail. Thanks for looking.
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That lacquer finish is beautiful! Does anyone paint them that way anymore?
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Old 12-14-06, 04:02 PM
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you just don't see it anymore. Here's one of my favourites:
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...sini_Arena.htm

Stunning!
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Vic - I hold my opinion - that is a beautiful bike. I would have loved to have done my chrome Pinarello with a lacquer tint - but alas, it's a difficult paint job without blasting the chrome first and ruining the effect.

Thanks for the additional photos - they really show the great detail.

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Rad/55,
my hat goes off to you - just looked at your chrome Pinarello link (sorry, I had missed that previously) : that is the best looking bike I've ever seen....The glare from that must be dazzling!!!
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