cudak888 

I've been trying to track down a pair of these Weinmann rims for a while, and I figured it would probably help my various parts suppliers if I could identify what bike (or bikes) they were available on - most of the time, they don't know what I'm looking for unless I can connect it to the specific bike it's from.

The rims are Belgium-made Weinmann clinchers, 27", aluminum w/hooked bead. See pic.

Problem is, I have three of them (laced to their original hubs), and I have no idea as to what they came off of.

One wheel is a front with a high flange Schwinn Approved hub dated 82. I have my suspects as to this rim originating from a Schwinn World Sport, but I have no way to confirm.

The other two appear to be a matching set, low-flange Mallard hub in front, Mallard Helicomatic 6 in the rear. They were loose when I got them, but they fit nicely on my '83 LeTour Luxe.

Can anyone identify a particular make/model that used these rims? Obviously, Schwinn used them back in '82 - on which model, I have no idea. Any insights?

Take care,

-Kurt

mswantak

That '71 Schwinn Super Sport I had last summer had a pair of those.

well biked

'84 le tour had'em. my '83 le tour luxe had arayas, I believe-

cudak888 

Ahh - good! Now we're getting somewhere...

-Kurt

* jack *

I have 27" concave Weinmann alloy clinchers and Maillard high-flange hubs on my '83 Motobecane GT

Wil Davis

I had them on my Falcon Champion back in the mid 1960s…

- Wil

PS: mine had the small Presta-sized holes…

cudak888 

Jack, I had a pair of those concave Weinmanns (in 700C size) on my Bridgstone RB-3. The absolute worst rims I've ever dealt with, flimsy as heck, and they'd go out of true every week. No offense to your Moto there.

Wil, it doesn't sound like you had the same rims as I.

-Kurt

el twe

72 Super Sport.

Sierra

I've had a bunch of Weinmann rims which look pretty similar to the ones in your photo with the squared off shoulder, but non of them had hooked beads. Mine were probably older versions. Even the newer(early-mid seventies) Weinmanns which had a smoother profile to them(find them on Super Sports/Sports Tourers) didn't have hooked beads. It will be interesting if we are able to determine when the hooked bead versions started.

cudak888 

Well, judging by that Schwinn Approved front hub, the hooked bead rims were in use at least by '82.

By any chance, do the Mallard hubs have a date stamp?

Take care,

-Kurt

Greybeard

Yes, my SS has them too.

cudak888 

Looks like I just answered my own question by taking a look at the hubs on my LeTour Luxe.

The small-flange front Mallard hub is dated 11-85...

...and the rear Helicomatic is dated 20-83.

Sure, month #20 of 1983! Wonder what happened there. Also looks like my rim set, while both Mallard hubs, are not an original pair.

Either way, it looks like the hooked-bead Weinmanns came sometime around (or possibly before) 1982. There's no denying the originality of the hubs though, for the overall condition of the wheelsets appear to be pretty much equally weathered.

Take care,

-Kurt

* jack *

They've been great for me!

well biked

I looked at the original wheelset off my '83 le tour luxe, they are Arayas. But the '84 le tour used the Weinmans.

cudak888 

I forgot to clarify that my '83 LeTour Luxe came to me as a frameset. It so happened that the Weinmann/Mallard wheels were a good fit.

All three of the wheels came to me from a local bicycle-chopper builder, Keith Moss.

The third wheel with the '82 Schwinn hub is out of true (if not bent), and is not mounted on anything.

-Kurt

T-Mar

In the case of Maillard, the the first two digits represent the week, not the month.

cudak888 

O Wise, Francophile T-Mar, what would we do without you?

-Kurt

roccobike

cudak888 Are you looking for a pair of 27" Weinmann wheels like the set on ebay that is expiring at 18 hours from now?

cudak888 

Closest match I see on Fleabay ends in 5 days - NOS pair of 27" Weinmanns, doesn't say whether they are hooked bead or not. Haven't recieved a response from the seller.

The ones you are looking at are those cursed concave thingamabobs...and I don't think I can lace 36 spokes into a rim drilled with 48 holes (and I'm not about to pull one of those monkey-wrench stunts on one of my machines).

...and I don't cotton to the extra shipping costs for a pair of hubs I don't want. I'll be re-spoking them with stainless spokes and a Sturmey alloy shell FW 4-speed hub for my Raleigh Sports Tourer project.

Take care,

-Kurt

Walter

I got them on a '78 Moto Gran Jubile. I think Malliard hubs but have to look, I swapped for 700C anfd they're in the attic.

cudak888 

Hmm - probably the concave variants, but you've got me curious.

Looks like I picked out some damn good vintage rims - if you can find them on a Moto Gran Jubilee!

-Kurt

Walter

I'll poke my head up there and look tomorrow. The hurricanes last year "forced" me to redo my attic over the garage and it's much more accessible now, though very cluttered.

The 78 Gran Jubile is a nice ride and satisfied an unfulfilled desire from nearly 30 years ago but, to be honest, the bikes had lost some of their pedigree by then. The 531 frame was replaced by Vitus 888 and the Campy/Stronglight drivetrain had morphed into Suntour/Sugino. Of course those worked as well if not better than the Euro parts but the panache was gone...

cudak888 

You know, I didn't notice you were from FL too...you wouldn't be near Miami, would you?

I'd go with the traditional Campy before I'd bother with the Japanese stuff, but I must say that I am quite impressed with the Super Vitus 980 tubeset - I have a '83 Peugeot PSV10 frameset equipped with it, and it has to be the lightest steel frame I've handled...and that's with the BB installed. Can't wait to stick a pair of wheels under it (I've got that covered) to take it out for a spin.

Take care,

-Kurt

Sierra

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'm curious about the folks who replied that they had these rims on their early seventies Super Sports. I've parted out probably ten of these and I've never found hooked bead rims on any of them. Always Weinmanns, but never hooked beads. So.... I'm curious, are those really hooked bead rims on your early seventies Super Sports?

lokerola

I think my 78 Raleigh Competition GS has them. I'll have to go look; they may be 700c not 27's.