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Old 04-16-08, 05:18 PM
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I have a low end Centurion, a Super Tour, that looks by the date on the crank and the deraillers to be a late 80's model. It has a different headbadge though. Someone suggested that I should post it here. I'm including the specs. here with some pictures and I will post the serial number later tonight or in the morning. Cheers.

- Suntour Power Shift Levers
- Suntour ar Front and Rear Deraillers
- Sugino Forged Cranks "Aero Maxy" Stamped Japan 170 I-12
- Dia Compe Levers/Calipers

Decal Reads:

Champion No. 5
chromium-molybdenum steel
Seamless P.G. Tubes
Tange Industries
Made in Japan



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Is this a Centurion?

I have a bike that I picked up 15 years ago as a campus commuter when my Raleigh Int'l got stolen. The bike was spray painted and had just been traded in at a local bike shop when I bought it. The store owner couldn't tell me much about the bike other than it was a Japanese bike. It appeared to be a reasonably good quality bike and I rode away on it $50 poorer. After looking at several serial number databases, my best guess is that it's some flavor of Centurion. I would really like to find out more about the bike now that I've rediscovered the joy of riding after a nearly 13 year hiatus. Attached are pictures of the bike and details on the components. I suspect some of the components aren't original to the bike. Is it a Centurion? Any ideas which Centurion?

I would also like to find any information I can on original colors available for the bike. The spray paint's gotta go!

Thanks.

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Serial Number on bottom bracket: N5L1390
Sugino ALP Crank (Stamped E-7 170 on arm) with 42/52 rings and PD-1000 pedals
Dia Compe Side Pull brakes (0685B and 0385B)
Shimano front derailler (FD-Z206)
Shimano 600 SIS rear derailler (RD-6208)
27" wheels (bike had different 27" wheels when I got it - don't know what they were)
Shimano Downtube shifters (S424 on levers)
Handlebars are engraved with "Kasuki" and "Winpista" between tapes
My trusty bathroom scale puts the bike at about 22.5 lb

I've attached photos of the bike if that helps.
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Old 04-19-08, 10:33 PM
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Thank you for the information! It's satisfying after having this bike for so many years to finally have a better idea of what it is. Hope to have it cleaned up enough to start riding it to work this week.
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Sorry it's take so long to get back. Last week I posted about a Centurion Super Tour. The SN was N1L0128.
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Old 04-29-08, 08:09 AM
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Mid-late 70's Super Lemans

Hi there - just posting my recently acquired (from the trash pile) Super Lemans. Serial # is N0N5202 as best as I can tell. I'm not too well versed in older components but here's a rundown of what I could see: Diacompe side pulls with "0480" stamped on them; Derailers are Suntour VX (front) VX GT (rear), pedals are interesting onesided almost MTB looking MKS QRK1, Sugino cranks, double rings and a bash guard looking outer ring with the sugino crown emblem; SR bars and "centurion" labeled stem; Suntour perfect 6 speed FW and araya 27 x 1 1/4 wheels with sunshine hubs; Suntour barcons. The frame is labeled Tange #5.

Here is a shot after some cleanup and new bits:



And a blurry shot of the headbadge



I know the 70's stuff is still a bit up in the air, I hope this makes some sense.
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Old 04-30-08, 12:46 PM
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Thanks for the reply, I guessed 70's from the components but the 2nd digit "0" is the year?
Edited: FYI - Rejda is Czech for those of you who are interested
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Old 04-30-08, 05:21 PM
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My Centurion Thread

Didn't get a huge amount of replies, but I imagine I'm going to C&V hell for how I overhauled it. Anyhow, to add to the database: 1984 Centurion Elite RS N4E7473

Originally came with Sugino cranks, Suntour symmetric shifters, Suntour Cyclone Mk II derailers, and a SR handlebar. Now only the Suntour drivetrain components are there.

When I acquired that wreck, there were no wheels, so I couldn't tell you what it had there.
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So here's a mystery Centurion, and regrettably I can't find a serial number anywhere on it. It looks like it may have had a spray paint job at some point a while back, but here are some pics, and I hope I can get a general ID. Also, maybe someone can tell me where to find the serial number (nothing on the headtube, or BB shell). I also don't know if this stuff is original equipment or not.

It's got an SR crankset, Suntour Vx RD, Suntour friction bar ends, SR stem, Sunshine hubs laced to 27" alloy Araya rims. It has forged dropouts. Here are some pictures. I'd love to hear what you guys think it might be, and more about it.
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Old 05-03-08, 09:08 AM
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Some of the bits (barcons, brakes, derailers) match up, but my cranks are different. FYI, my serial number is on the seat tube, on the other side of the big ring - couldn't see it until I wiped off some muck.
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Old 05-05-08, 05:25 PM
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this seems to be the thread to present my newest aquisition:

Centurion Super Elite SN# 11 D 03295 framesize 60cm
(first "1" and "9" i a guess, as they are hiden underneath the cable guides)

dark grey metallic with blue decals, no chrome

tubeset: Tange Nr.2

Campa SR cranks, FD, brakes, levers, hubs
Campa Nouvo Record Pat 81 RD
3T stem and bars,
SR seatpost
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Hello A.,

thank you for your comment!
Yes, "campa" = "campy" here in old europe

here is the beast:








1981 would also fit the year of the RD (pat81). I haven't checked the hub nuts yet. Since its quite a component mix, (japanese pedals and headset too), i recon the frame was bought solo and built up individually. I understand Centurion framesets were sold here in germany at that time.

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Centurion Yahoo Group

Hey gang!

I just started up a Yahoo group for Centurion fans. About a year ago I started one for Miyata/Specialized touring bikes, and it's been a helpful, active and fun group, so I thought I'd try the same with Centurions. Let's pool our knowledge and enthusiasm!

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/centurionbicycles/

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Old 05-26-08, 04:21 PM
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Saved this one. SN# N4164. Has chromed fork and chainstays. Missing bars, levers and rear D. Super Lemans (stem has 75 stamped on it and found a claimed 75' on velospace with same paint and chrome)



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Old 05-31-08, 05:46 AM
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Hi, I am looking at buying a mystery frame. It is new old stock, and has the serial number N9L5171, making me pretty sure it is a 1989 centurion.

But it has no decals! It has never been assembled. It also has fastback seat stays that are mounted below the seat clamp. It has Shimano dropouts, is has very nicely finished lugwork (as good as any handmade frame I have seen). The frame is a 58cm and weighs 2000g and has a 27.2 seatpost.

Anyway, has anyone got any idea what this frame could be?

This pic is not of the frame I am looking at, but has a pretty identical seat cluster and lug style and quality (and it is the same colour :-))

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Thanks Alan,

The quality of the lugwork finishing tell me this isn't a low end frame.

I am wondering if the serial numbers belong to the original manufacturers of the frames, rather than Centurion, and therefore the same serial number sequence exists for other brands as well.

Anyway, you answered my question, it is not a Centurion that went to production.

Cheers
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Old 06-01-08, 04:12 PM
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Hello - Finally got around to posting the serial number from my new "Semi-Pro" . This is the cobalt blue 54cm. bike that was on E-Bay two weeks back. The surmise was that it was a 1979 from the color, components and head badge style, but here goes: M7L25662. Thanks; John
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Old 06-16-08, 01:43 PM
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My Centurion

We wife just bought this for me:

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S/N N1E5290
Super LeMans-silver w/black pinstriping, Tange Champion #5 tubing
Wheels are Aaraya rims 27x1 1/4 and Sunshine hubs
Dia Compe brake calipers and levers
Sugino double cranks
Suntour VX FD and Cyclone M-II RD (not original?)
"Centurion" pantographed SR stem
SR Randonee handlebars
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Old 06-17-08, 12:31 PM
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Hey all!

I just got my first bike in ten years. I'm moving off campus and decided that between my major being all about saving the planet (Landscape Architecture) and the obscene price of both gas and campus parking I'd get a bike. I went to this local shop and the owner, Ben hooked me up with a sweet frame. Now this is what I'm riding.

Centurion Le Mans RS
Serial # N4N7120

It's a dark navy with brand new orange bar tape. Between the 4 in the serial number, the solid paint job, and the mix of Suntour and Sugino parts that are original to the frame I'd say I'm sitting at 1984, possibly 85. The derallieur is Shimano, but I'm pretty sure it's a lightly used part he put on new to this frame. I'm really excited about this bike. I'll edit this post later with pics but I hope my serial number can be of help.

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Welcome, hope you enjoy it!
FYI, did a 30 mile charity ride (princeton Tour de Cure) this past weekend on the Super LeMans...just under 2 hours with a 15.3mph average. There was only one real climb and it was a bit rough but on the flats I was having lots of fun chugging along.
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As promised, here's a photo of the new ride I just got last week. I can post more details of the derailleur and the like if you want. I haven't been on a bike in about ten years (I'm only 21) but I'm surprised how good a shape I'm in. This is fun, even in a hilly town like mine. I just did about 12 miles out the the State Botanical Garden and back this evening with a detour through downtown and while saying I didn't feel a thing would be an overstatement, It didn't kill me.

Riding in traffic is a serious high. Kind of like riding a roller coaster. It's just dangerous enough to give me a rush.

Also, does anyone know why BF doesn't like images with links from Flickr? I had to dig up my old Photobucket account to get this photo up.
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Thanks for the info. I had pretty much determined that it was either an '84 or '85 but the ID Number suggests late '84 manufacture which could easily make it an '85 model. I know the aero break levers aren't original because I had this one built from a frame that a guy here in town had hanging in his shop. The crank shaft, saddle, front, and rear derailleurs are original, the shifters are either original or go very well (they're suntour so it fits with the year and model), the wheelset is gently used, and the break levers, breaks, pedals, freewheel, and all the rest are new (all the stuff that really shouldn't break, right?). The bartape is and handle bars are also not original. I did the orange to match the paintjob. It's been greased up and ready to go right in front of me a week ago tomorrow.

I definitely plan to try and keep it out of the weather as much as possible because it's so sweet. The twelve mile run was on day five of riding I think but I'm definitely still impressed that I am in that great a shape.

I intended to get some hex wrenches soon as well as a rear rack (pain not being able to carry things) and I'll probably take care of that tomorrow. I get paid tomorrow. Funny how that works.

Thanks for the note about the saddle and handlebars. I do feel like, after a decent ride I've been bearing down on my hands a lot. I'll adjust it when I get the hex wrenches. Or maybe just take it to the guy who built it for me. He's been doing adjustments all week to get things perfect. The saddle is definitely the right hight so it's the bar and stem that need fixing. This frame is ubersmall too because I'm only 5'4".

Thanks so much for the help.
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Serial Number: N3S9347, is it a 1984?
Great for groceries, commuting and this fall hope to take it on a multi-day trip from San Luis Obisbo south.
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It's an Elite GT. This bike came from the factory with the front braze-ons for the rack.
Yes, those are replacement aero levers (Shimano). I would like to replace them with newer aero levers as the hoods are getting sloppy.
It's got the original cantilever brakes, original FD, but the RD was replaced with a Deore long cage.
Wheels are replacements over the originals. Last year I put used Mavic rims with Specialized cartridge bearing hubs, 36 spokes front and rear with Specialized Armadillo 27x1/4 tires and a Brooks B-17 Champion saddle. I like to think the changes made to the bike were improvements over the original parts.

I rode it to work today (20 mi. R/T). Can't wait to get it out on the road for a few days tour.
It is a very nice riding bike.
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Originally Posted by A.Winthrop View Post
Hi Mandrake,
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Well, the Elite GT makes it an '84 model for sure as that
was the first year it was offered. The GT was sort of an
economy version of the Pro Tour, very similar but slightly
lesser frame materials and components. The '84 Centurion
catalog scans on the Velobase site (above) will let you
compare and contrast the two models. The GT is listed just
after the Pro Tour in that year's lineup.
.
Now all you need is an Elite racing model. There are two
on eBay at the moment, a large 1980 and a small 1986. The
'86 model shows marked improvement of frame materials and
components from 1980. There's another '86 Elite posted just
a half dozen posts up from here that sold on eBay for $235
last week (or something like that).
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Very nice bike, your Elite GT. I'm still envious, even if
it isn't a Pro Tour. :-)
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Oh, almost forgot. Tange 900 tubing was said to be for all
intents and purposes the same as Tange #2. There was a
different manufacturing process but it speced the same, I
believe. BF's T-Mar discussed this somewhere here, maybe
in this thread, can't remember.
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I saw a Pro Tour on the L.A. CL about a year ago going very cheap, so they do turn up from time to time.
The size was not right for me otherwise I would have picked it up for the frame alone.
I have always liked Centurions, my friend bought a new 1984 Elite RS back in the day which I always liked.
BTW, there are no decals on my bike stating what the tubing is, but you think it's Tange 900?
Was Tange 900 seamed tubing? The frame on this bike seems to be holding up well, no problems at all.

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Originally Posted by A.Winthrop View Post
Hi John,
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Good question about Tange 900 and whether it is seamed. As
I recall it was NOT seamed (like Tange's Infinity tubing)
but I believe T-Mar or someone else said it was produced
using a different process than other seamless tubing. Try
T-Mar on this one or you might hit the link on the Centurion
Bicycles website to Jalon Hawk's bike tubing page. There is
a lot of information there on Tange and other Japanese and
European tubing.
.
Complete specs for your Elite GT are also on the Centurion
Bicycles website, either on Sheldon Brown's site or the
Velobase site (above). It is the same article on both sites
but the Velobase version is a minor update. Look for the
1984 Centurion catalog scans at the end of the article. Look
at the specs page and the geometry pages and, of course,
the Elite GT specific page. That's your bike, for sure. And
it is Tange 900 tubing (three main tubes), according to the
specs page.
.
You can see the seat tube sticker on the GT in the catalog
scan of that model. And on one of the geometry scans, you
can see a closeup of the Tange 900 CrMo sticker. Also in the
geometry pages, you will note that the GT's geometry is the
same as the Pro Tour and weight is only about 1.5lbs more.
.
Among the scans is information about Centurion paint jobs
too, among the best of the '80s Japanese bikes, according
to T-Mar.
.
I've got two Comp TA's from that year. The Elite R\S was the
economy version of the Comp TA. I liked my silver and black
one so much, I couldn't resist a red and silver model when
one showed up on eBay in excellent condition, all-original
and in my size. The Comp TA was only offered in two colors,
which means I have no excuse whatsoever to buy another one.
.
So enjoy that nice Elite GT. Love that below-the-downtube
bottle cage! I thought that nailed it down as a Pro Tour
for sure. Not so. Live and learn.
.
PS - Correction: Tange 900 tubing WAS seamed. And it did
have the same wall thickness as Tange #2.
.
T-Mar's take on Tange 900:
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"... Tange 900? It would have been about 4th in the Tange
lineup at the time. Wall thickness was equivalent to their #2
set but it used seamed tubing. Don't be concerned. The mid-
'80s seamed tubing was good stuff, just cheaper to produce."
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In another reference to Tange 900 here, T-Mar notes that
this tubing was double butted CrMo and, as suggested above,
was the same weight as Tange #2.
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The below the DT waterbottle cage, though kind of stylish, has one flaw- it only works with a stubby water bottle, the longer bottles interfere with the front wheel. That is the one gripe I have with the bike, but that's minor, I guess. I do like the blue colors on these old Centurions. The Elite RS "Ice Blue" knocks me out, just like my friend's old bike. Color counts for me.
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