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04-16-11, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetImperfectn
I just bought a Centurion (Le Mans RS) last weekend at a local non-profit bicycle organization/shop that also tunes/rehabs-then sells donated bikes. Not knowing anything about Centurions before before my purchase, I was told a little bit of the history (discontinued/changed name to Diamondback) it was a solid road bike, etc. Being quite taken with it, I snagged it up -- but not knowing what year or much else about it, I went home and promptly researched my new bike to find out more.
Among my other search results I found the very informative sheldonbrown website, and this great thread! I've learned a ton from reading the various posts, but I still have no clue what year it is from. I can't seem to find any other models that match mine specifically. My Le Mans RS seems to have quite a few components that most Lemans RS don't have. For instance, it's a 12 speed and has the Shimano 105 groupset. From what I've learned/gathered, that doesn't seem to be standard or common for any Lemans (correct me if I'm wrong). Perhaps mine has been upgraded? Here are my specs:
Model: Centurion Le Mans RS
Serial #: 7H5869 (it's really scratched up where the SN is and I had a hard time making out the first and last number/letters -there could be an N or H before the 7 - and the 9 at the end might be a 0, 8 or 6 instead
Tubing: Tange 2 Cr-MO Seamless Tubing
Fork: Mangaloy 2001 Tange
Derailers: Shimano 105 (FD-Z206-VA) -not sure about the "VA", that's what it looks like tho...
Shifters: Shimano 105 Total Integration
Breaks: Shimano 105 SLR
Saddle: Centurion Anatomic Vetta
Color: Black & Yellow
Speed: 12
Year: ??
Okay, if you need anymore info, just let me know! I'm also curious to know approx how much this would have retailed for in it's day, and how much it's worth now if anyone has a guesstimate.
I've added a few pictures here. Sorry they are not the best quality. Took them in my basement where there is poor lighting.
Thanks!
~gt
Among my other search results I found the very informative sheldonbrown website, and this great thread! I've learned a ton from reading the various posts, but I still have no clue what year it is from. I can't seem to find any other models that match mine specifically. My Le Mans RS seems to have quite a few components that most Lemans RS don't have. For instance, it's a 12 speed and has the Shimano 105 groupset. From what I've learned/gathered, that doesn't seem to be standard or common for any Lemans (correct me if I'm wrong). Perhaps mine has been upgraded? Here are my specs:
Model: Centurion Le Mans RS
Serial #: 7H5869 (it's really scratched up where the SN is and I had a hard time making out the first and last number/letters -there could be an N or H before the 7 - and the 9 at the end might be a 0, 8 or 6 instead
Tubing: Tange 2 Cr-MO Seamless Tubing
Fork: Mangaloy 2001 Tange
Derailers: Shimano 105 (FD-Z206-VA) -not sure about the "VA", that's what it looks like tho...
Shifters: Shimano 105 Total Integration
Breaks: Shimano 105 SLR
Saddle: Centurion Anatomic Vetta
Color: Black & Yellow
Speed: 12
Year: ??
Okay, if you need anymore info, just let me know! I'm also curious to know approx how much this would have retailed for in it's day, and how much it's worth now if anyone has a guesstimate.
I've added a few pictures here. Sorry they are not the best quality. Took them in my basement where there is poor lighting.
Thanks!
~gt
04-16-11, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
1987 Centurion Lemans RS, only year that had the yellow and black, which tends to bring the best prices.
Original equipment was actually 2x7 Shimano Light Action, with Exage crankset, calipers, and hubs, laced to box section Araya bronzed rims.
The 2x8 105 stuff is an upgrade by about 4-5 years, the STI shifters and that 105 stuff is very nice, very reliable.
Now, if the wheelset is a 6-sp, it shouldn't work too well. However, if that's really a 7-sp rear freewheel, the 8-sp shifters will work fine with a "dummy shift."
Right now, an STI-equipped bike, even a 2x7, should bring $250-$300. A Centurion, to some folks, will bring more if it's a Tange 1 Ironman or a Tange 2 Lemans RS.
I've sunk about $450 or more into one of those, and could probably sell it for $450 to people who know me, know it will be ready to ride.
The bike is fine right now, if that's a 7-sp rear freewheel. The possibilities are pretty amazing, as you can simply swap in a modern wheelset with an 8-sp cassette and drop some weight, gain a little range, if you so desire.
Welcome to the forum.
Original equipment was actually 2x7 Shimano Light Action, with Exage crankset, calipers, and hubs, laced to box section Araya bronzed rims.
The 2x8 105 stuff is an upgrade by about 4-5 years, the STI shifters and that 105 stuff is very nice, very reliable.
Now, if the wheelset is a 6-sp, it shouldn't work too well. However, if that's really a 7-sp rear freewheel, the 8-sp shifters will work fine with a "dummy shift."
Right now, an STI-equipped bike, even a 2x7, should bring $250-$300. A Centurion, to some folks, will bring more if it's a Tange 1 Ironman or a Tange 2 Lemans RS.
I've sunk about $450 or more into one of those, and could probably sell it for $450 to people who know me, know it will be ready to ride.
The bike is fine right now, if that's a 7-sp rear freewheel. The possibilities are pretty amazing, as you can simply swap in a modern wheelset with an 8-sp cassette and drop some weight, gain a little range, if you so desire.
Welcome to the forum.
How do I know if it's a 6, 7 or 8-sp freewheel/shifter/whatnot? (I'm still new to a lot the bicycle terminology -so not sure what that is!)
I paid $250 for it. Considering it was thoroughly checked over by a mechanic, and any fixes, tune-ups or parts replacements needed were made before selling it, I felt okay paying that. But after researching it I was concerned maybe I paid too much since the Lemans weren't the best model of the Centurion line (and mine -although allover in good shape- does have lots of scratches on it when looking closely). But from your helpful info, it sounds that with the upgrades done to mine, I got a reasonable deal?
Also Big thanks to A.Winthrop who PM'd me. I tried to PM you back, but says I can't private message till I have 50 forum posts!! So have to tell you thanks here. Your info was super helpful!
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realestvin7 put it clearly in a lot less words.
Decent price for an OEM one in good shape, maybe a little high. Excellent price for the way it's set up right now.
Count the cogs on the rear.
You should have 7.
If it has 6, the shifters wouldn't work very well, you'd have chain jumping all over the place back there.
The R shifter is 8-sp, only came as an 8-sp. The L shifter is 2-sp, both front rings.
The R shifter should have 7 "clicks" in each direction. If a shop just went through it, they'd have caught any 6-sp/7-sp problem.
Appears you have the original wheels, running a 7-sp freewheel.
The 8-sp shifter works because the spacing between the cogs is about the same,
but one of those shifts will find the chain already moved in as far as it will go, so it's called a "dummy shift."
Black touch-up paint is easily found, from Auto Zone (Duplicolor) to a craft store (Testor's paint pen) to Office Depot (Sharpie paint pens, both in medium and fine).
That yellow is more of a yellow gold, but hard to find in a touchup. Testor's yellow works pretty well, but you need to treat each scratch with white, first, or it will look brown when you touch it up with just the yellow. Sharpie also makes a paint pen in yellow.
A. Winthrop has one of those, and realestvin7, and I had one, and other lucky folks. Excellent bikes, and someone already saved you the time, expense, and labor of upgrading it.
Time to sign up for a group ride and enjoy that thing.
Decent price for an OEM one in good shape, maybe a little high. Excellent price for the way it's set up right now.
Count the cogs on the rear.
You should have 7.
If it has 6, the shifters wouldn't work very well, you'd have chain jumping all over the place back there.
The R shifter is 8-sp, only came as an 8-sp. The L shifter is 2-sp, both front rings.
The R shifter should have 7 "clicks" in each direction. If a shop just went through it, they'd have caught any 6-sp/7-sp problem.
Appears you have the original wheels, running a 7-sp freewheel.
The 8-sp shifter works because the spacing between the cogs is about the same,
but one of those shifts will find the chain already moved in as far as it will go, so it's called a "dummy shift."
Black touch-up paint is easily found, from Auto Zone (Duplicolor) to a craft store (Testor's paint pen) to Office Depot (Sharpie paint pens, both in medium and fine).
That yellow is more of a yellow gold, but hard to find in a touchup. Testor's yellow works pretty well, but you need to treat each scratch with white, first, or it will look brown when you touch it up with just the yellow. Sharpie also makes a paint pen in yellow.
A. Winthrop has one of those, and realestvin7, and I had one, and other lucky folks. Excellent bikes, and someone already saved you the time, expense, and labor of upgrading it.
Time to sign up for a group ride and enjoy that thing.
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04-16-11, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
realestvin7 put it clearly in a lot less words.
Decent price for an OEM one in good shape, maybe a little high. Excellent price for the way it's set up right now.
Count the cogs on the rear.
You should have 7.
If it has 6, the shifters wouldn't work very well, you'd have chain jumping all over the place back there.
The R shifter is 8-sp, only came as an 8-sp. The L shifter is 2-sp, both front rings.
The R shifter should have 7 "clicks" in each direction. If a shop just went through it, they'd have caught any 6-sp/7-sp problem.
Appears you have the original wheels, running a 7-sp freewheel.
The 8-sp shifter works because the spacing between the cogs is about the same,
but one of those shifts will find the chain already moved in as far as it will go, so it's called a "dummy shift."
Black touch-up paint is easily found, from Auto Zone (Duplicolor) to a craft store (Testor's paint pen) to Office Depot (Sharpie paint pens, both in medium and fine).
That yellow is more of a yellow gold, but hard to find in a touchup. Testor's yellow works pretty well, but you need to treat each scratch with white, first, or it will look brown when you touch it up with just the yellow. Sharpie also makes a paint pen in yellow.
A. Winthrop has one of those, and realestvin7, and I had one, and other lucky folks. Excellent bikes, and someone already saved you the time, expense, and labor of upgrading it.
Time to sign up for a group ride and enjoy that thing.
Decent price for an OEM one in good shape, maybe a little high. Excellent price for the way it's set up right now.
Count the cogs on the rear.
You should have 7.
If it has 6, the shifters wouldn't work very well, you'd have chain jumping all over the place back there.
The R shifter is 8-sp, only came as an 8-sp. The L shifter is 2-sp, both front rings.
The R shifter should have 7 "clicks" in each direction. If a shop just went through it, they'd have caught any 6-sp/7-sp problem.
Appears you have the original wheels, running a 7-sp freewheel.
The 8-sp shifter works because the spacing between the cogs is about the same,
but one of those shifts will find the chain already moved in as far as it will go, so it's called a "dummy shift."
Black touch-up paint is easily found, from Auto Zone (Duplicolor) to a craft store (Testor's paint pen) to Office Depot (Sharpie paint pens, both in medium and fine).
That yellow is more of a yellow gold, but hard to find in a touchup. Testor's yellow works pretty well, but you need to treat each scratch with white, first, or it will look brown when you touch it up with just the yellow. Sharpie also makes a paint pen in yellow.
A. Winthrop has one of those, and realestvin7, and I had one, and other lucky folks. Excellent bikes, and someone already saved you the time, expense, and labor of upgrading it.
Time to sign up for a group ride and enjoy that thing.
04-16-11, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetImperfectn
I just bought a Centurion (Le Mans RS) last weekend....
Thanks!
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Thanks!
~gt
Nice looking bike, I'd say it should be well worth your money if it fits you.
04-17-11, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Smoke 'em Allen.
Funny/sad story: There was this kid, probably not even a teen yet. He was with his dad and walking an '89 Ironman Expert (~50cm maybe, with that dark bluish fade) with Suntour GPX on there. I told him "I dig the Ironman! I ride one myself" His response? He complained that it was so heavy......*sigh*
My friend picked up a black and yellow '87 Lemans RS today for his first road bike! It's exciting. And a coincidence that there's so much information on it in these last few posts =D
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Great job, Allen.
That kid will remember you. Everything's heavy to a kid that age.
No coincidence your friend picked up the sweet LeMans, none at all.
The Centurion force is powerful, and some of yours probably escaped and got into his mojo.
That kid will remember you. Everything's heavy to a kid that age.
No coincidence your friend picked up the sweet LeMans, none at all.
The Centurion force is powerful, and some of yours probably escaped and got into his mojo.
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04-24-11, 05:57 PM
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I am always on the hunt...
However, not biting on this one.. In my area, and at the bottom edge of my size range (58 to 62cm), but asking too much.
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/bik/2343801817.html
However, not biting on this one.. In my area, and at the bottom edge of my size range (58 to 62cm), but asking too much.https://annapolis.craigslist.org/bik/2343801817.html
04-24-11, 06:31 PM
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Ironman Master sighting!
49cm (48? 50? Small anyway.) Purple fade. Looks original but for seat, good condition *at first glance*. In a Chicago shop selling used bikes for general urban use. Asking $300. I'd be happy to check it out for anyone for whom this is a must-have bike in a must-have size.
I tested my self-discipline today by NOT buying a red/white Ironman Expert ('87?) in what seems to be my size, 52cm. It was dirty but in GWO, worst thing appeared to be some rusty spots on the underside of the top tube near the seatpost...probably from trainer duty. Not great but not terrible. I was about to start haggling with the guy, thinking maybe 20-25% down from his 220 asking price. Then on close inspection I saw a thin horizontal crack in the paint on the top tube, just past the point of the lug. No corresponding mark on the downtube, but feeling both tubes with my fingers it seemed like there might be some slight bulging there. Part of the butting? Maybe. Could the paint crack be from a slight 'bump' to the front, one where the frame flexed a bit, and no harm done? Of course. But the Ironman I crashed two weeks ago got that kind of paint crack (only much much worse), and I would always wonder about it on this bike...and feel I had to disclose it to any future buyer. I walked away from it with no misgivings. There will *always* be another bike.
49cm (48? 50? Small anyway.) Purple fade. Looks original but for seat, good condition *at first glance*. In a Chicago shop selling used bikes for general urban use. Asking $300. I'd be happy to check it out for anyone for whom this is a must-have bike in a must-have size.
I tested my self-discipline today by NOT buying a red/white Ironman Expert ('87?) in what seems to be my size, 52cm. It was dirty but in GWO, worst thing appeared to be some rusty spots on the underside of the top tube near the seatpost...probably from trainer duty. Not great but not terrible. I was about to start haggling with the guy, thinking maybe 20-25% down from his 220 asking price. Then on close inspection I saw a thin horizontal crack in the paint on the top tube, just past the point of the lug. No corresponding mark on the downtube, but feeling both tubes with my fingers it seemed like there might be some slight bulging there. Part of the butting? Maybe. Could the paint crack be from a slight 'bump' to the front, one where the frame flexed a bit, and no harm done? Of course. But the Ironman I crashed two weeks ago got that kind of paint crack (only much much worse), and I would always wonder about it on this bike...and feel I had to disclose it to any future buyer. I walked away from it with no misgivings. There will *always* be another bike.
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04-25-11, 04:43 AM
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1989 Dave Scott Ironman Master 58cm
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It was a trip to flip this bike over when i first got it and see the name of my hometown on the sticker..
1985 Diamond Back Apex 54cm (guessing year based on serial #)
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It was a trip to flip this bike over when i first got it and see the name of my hometown on the sticker..
1985 Diamond Back Apex 54cm (guessing year based on serial #)
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04-29-11, 07:00 PM
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Brought this home today. Older Centurion Elite 12.
Nice Tange 2 frame.
I got it because a student of mine wants a bike so I thought I'd build it up basic and let him have a shot at it at cost.
No seatpost, think its 27.2?
Nice Tange 2 frame.
I got it because a student of mine wants a bike so I thought I'd build it up basic and let him have a shot at it at cost.
No seatpost, think its 27.2?
04-29-11, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by thenomad
Brought this home today. Older Centurion Elite 12.
Nice Tange 2 frame.
I got it because a student of mine wants a bike so I thought I'd build it up basic and let him have a shot at it at cost.
No seatpost, think its 27.2?
Nice Tange 2 frame.
I got it because a student of mine wants a bike so I thought I'd build it up basic and let him have a shot at it at cost.
No seatpost, think its 27.2?
What's up with the bolt towards the top end of the downtube?
04-30-11, 09:32 AM
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Center mounted DT shifter pod.
I'll see if I have a seatpost that'll work in the bin. I need to get ahold of a sash of quill stems as I keep getting frames with no stem!
I'll see if I have a seatpost that'll work in the bin. I need to get ahold of a sash of quill stems as I keep getting frames with no stem!
04-30-11, 01:43 PM
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My earlier Tange II Pro Tour has a 26.8 mm seatpost.
04-30-11, 05:19 PM
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Was riding through downtown Austin today and saw a guy with the same red/white paint scheme as my '87 Ironman (white head tube and seat tube). As he passed by, I saw the word "Modulus" on there. Anyone have a clue? I've never heard of it before. Could've been a custom decal or something, but I wasn't able to catch any other model identifiers!
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Originally Posted by Kuotient
Was riding through downtown Austin today and saw a guy with the same red/white paint scheme as my '87 Ironman (white head tube and seat tube). As he passed by, I saw the word "Modulus" on there. Anyone have a clue? I've never heard of it before. Could've been a custom decal or something, but I wasn't able to catch any other model identifiers!
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Originally Posted by realestvin7
Nishiki Modulus. Most of them were equipped with 650c wheels and some were "funny" bikes. I believe some were had with the red/white fade paint.
05-01-11, 07:15 AM
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I put this on the 'Are You Looking...' thread but will pop it in here too...Elite RS in Chicago 'burbs, $100, looks like a large-ish frame.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bik/2355635055.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bik/2355635055.html
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I'm thinking about buying this used Centurion Elite 12 bike, and the serial number is M3h67648. Does anyone know what year that it's from?
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...359491890.html
I haven't found similar matches with other elites.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...359491890.html
I haven't found similar matches with other elites.
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My latest garage sale score: I believe an early 85 model. If anyone has a catalog scan or photo of what an all original looks like, please post it up, or PM me.
The other two are a matched set of Lemans RS' that I bought last year at another garage sale.
The other two are a matched set of Lemans RS' that I bought last year at another garage sale.
05-09-11, 12:46 PM
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I would love to JUMP ON THIS, but, the seller doesn't know if it is an Expert or Master. Also, didn't provide closer pictures to see the condition of the paint and finish. States there is a dime size spot scratch on the forks, but no pic of it. Asking $340 plus $45 for shipping. Right now, no bids on it with starting bid of $280.. So, cheapest it can be had for is $325. If I knew it was a Master, and in good shape, I be real close to pulling the trigger on this...
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS
I would love to JUMP ON THIS, but, the seller doesn't know if it is an Expert or Master. Also, didn't provide closer pictures to see the condition of the paint and finish. States there is a dime size spot scratch on the forks, but no pic of it. Asking $340 plus $45 for shipping. Right now, no bids on it with starting bid of $280.. So, cheapest it can be had for is $325. If I knew it was a Master, and in good shape, I be real close to pulling the trigger on this...
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This bike makes me wish I were taller. Howard or Bianchigirl needs to be up on this.
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Originally Posted by realestvin7
It's a Master. Done.
Thanks much again..
Hope I score..
05-09-11, 08:52 PM
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Bikes: Raleigh R600 105/DA, Specialized Allez Elite 105
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I have an 88 Ironman Expert Dave Scott, all 105's, and most importantly, Miami Vice Baby! Biopace is strange, (I thought my crank was FUBAR'd from the way it moved), but I like it now. Small crank destroyed itself around 1500 miles, replaced with specialized MTB crank four bucks used. It's been stolen and recovered in the same day, some would say it's soul and mine were screaming from being torn apart and found it's way back to me *in the form of a flat FRONT tire to the woodbeetheef*.
Serial is N6P7842 Made in Japan
Only upgrade were tires and rival 143 seat.
First road bike, paid 100 flat. Over 1000's of miles plus later still love it. When I get a "real" bike, the difference should be surprising. This bike I will keep for a long long long time.
I love the STI (Brake plus Shift?) and modernized bikes. I have asked both my LBS's about this and they basically say they are unwilling to do the work. How hard is this to do? Also, I had a pretty hard crash (30 plus downhill) and wrecked the handlebars. Good time to shorted the stem to a new one and look into this project, as I LOVE MY IRONMAN! I would appreciate any links or specific info regarding parts lists/sizes as again, the LBS's are NOT into vintage steel. Pretty upsetting being pitched an S-WORKS when I have a piece of cycling history in their store, but I digress.
Happy Cycling, honk if you see me in Southeast Texas around the Lamar campuses.
I have to ask though, anyone who owns this paint scheme. Do you get 'yelled' or 'laughed' at for riding a pink and yellow bike? I do, it tears at my soul.
Also, you can't beat telling people "My shoes cost more than my bike man!"
*Photo's are from winter, and the QR's are noobed and handlebars intact in the photo*
Serial is N6P7842 Made in Japan
Only upgrade were tires and rival 143 seat.
First road bike, paid 100 flat. Over 1000's of miles plus later still love it. When I get a "real" bike, the difference should be surprising. This bike I will keep for a long long long time.
I love the STI (Brake plus Shift?) and modernized bikes. I have asked both my LBS's about this and they basically say they are unwilling to do the work. How hard is this to do? Also, I had a pretty hard crash (30 plus downhill) and wrecked the handlebars. Good time to shorted the stem to a new one and look into this project, as I LOVE MY IRONMAN! I would appreciate any links or specific info regarding parts lists/sizes as again, the LBS's are NOT into vintage steel. Pretty upsetting being pitched an S-WORKS when I have a piece of cycling history in their store, but I digress.
Happy Cycling, honk if you see me in Southeast Texas around the Lamar campuses.
I have to ask though, anyone who owns this paint scheme. Do you get 'yelled' or 'laughed' at for riding a pink and yellow bike? I do, it tears at my soul.
Also, you can't beat telling people "My shoes cost more than my bike man!"
*Photo's are from winter, and the QR's are noobed and handlebars intact in the photo*
Last edited by iheartbenben; 05-09-11 at 09:04 PM.
