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Old 02-15-06, 12:22 PM
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Have Raleigh Suberbe with fork lock -key?

I did a quick search for "raleigh lock" and didn't see anything. Then the search function quit working for me before I could try other variations. Anyhows, I have a 1970-ish (based on the "70" stamped on the S-A 3-sp hub) Raleigh Superbe with a key lock cylinder integrated into the fork crown. This interacts with a small plate brazed to the head tube. This arrangement is mentioned on Sheldon's site. Any idea of how to get this apart or find a key or put a new lock in? I'd like to be able to use this feature.
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I'd look for a good locksmith to work on it.
I've seen similiar arrangements occaisionally but no information
on it specifically.
Alot of dutch city bikes have a similiar lock mechanism only they put it
over the rear wheel.
pics of the rest of the bike please! It looks like a beauty from the fork detail only.
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I'd pull the forks and carry them into a locksmith. They should be able to remove the cylinder and rekey it or to fit another.
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What's the number on the face of the lock cylinder? It'll be 'NGN XX', with the Xs being the numbers. I've got a pair of NGN 31 keys I can't use. They take a Wilmot-Breeden key blank that was the same as British Leyland used on some of their '60s - '70s cars; my '73 MG Midget used it for the glovebox and trunk locks -- you should be able to find a blank of some kind with the same profile at a locksmith. I've also seen ads for a place in England that will make you a key from the lock number, but with shipping it runs about $25.

As you already realize, it just locks the forks so the bike can't go in a straight line -- which isn't much of a theft deterrent on a vehicle you can just pick up and carry. It is a nice touch to have the lock work though.
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Many thanks! I found an old diagram here.

mswantak, Lock number is NGN 11, I'll hunt around in the MG sites and see if I can find a key or other code to get one duplicated cheaper locally. Thanks for all the info! As you said, someone could still lift it (pun intended) and run, but this would be for quick trips to the bank, grocery, etc. I think that if it's unrideable tha'll be deterrent enough for my use.

lotek, I'll post pics when I'm finished with it, believe me, the rest of it is not a beauty! The front rim is what I call a "rust halo". I've ordered some Sun CR-18 aluminum rims (in 26x1 3/8" ) to relace the hubs to. Dyno hub and front and rear lights work, though. It won't be an exact restoration or anything, but the matching fenders, rack, and the B-72 saddle caught my eye, plus at this point I've only got $10 invested.
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The working lock is the icing on the cake feature of the Superbe, I think. It's not really useful as a security device (unless used in conjunction with your true bicycle locks). Alone it won't help you secure the bike but it's one of those "cool things" to have working. I think a locksmith could make you a key. Love the bronze green. What vintage is that bike? I have a '74 Raleigh Sports in Bronze Green and I love the thing. Have you located proper bronze green touch-up paint? I have had the damnest time locating any. Right now I mix basic brush touchup paints together to try and get as close as I can to the proper green.
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Heck, you couldn't get Bronze Green touchup paint in '74 either!

And yeah, the prospect of having to carry 45 lbs. of Superbe very far would deter most thieves.
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My '73 MGB/GT keys were made from old Audi blanks, if that helps. That car leaked oil like a 3-speed hub, but I loved it.
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Originally Posted by jimmythefly
...Lock number is NGN 11, I'll hunt around in the MG sites and see if I can find a key or other code to get one duplicated cheaper locally...
My '74 is missing the key too, and my lock is numbered NGN 11 also. If you can find the blanks, and can get a working key made, I'll split the expense if you send me one.
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You can also try over at the Old Roads discussion area. They have a special area dedicated to work on English 3 speeds.

https://www.oldroads.com/d_eng_def.asp?rec_count=1

Occasionally someone pops up looking for these keys. You might be able to find even more people to split the expense as well.
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Mswantak, you have PM.

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Kurt, you have e-mail.
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Mswantak, you have a reply.

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Well, until now, I never thought of digging through the LBS's drawer of various old keys to see if I could find any NGNs. Today, I took the opportunity to do so.

Sure enough, I did find one, NGN 19. Shop owner gave it to me (this is the same fellow who gave me the '61 Paramount - anything's possible with him) I believe there's one or two other drawers with keys in them, I plan to tear through those next time I go there.

In the meantime, I plan on checking the local locksmiths to see if I can find a current key blank that has the same pattern of the NGN. Not likely, but possible. Wish me luck.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
Well, until now, I never thought of digging through the LBS's drawer of various old keys to see if I could find any NGNs. Today, I took the opportunity to do so.

Sure enough, I did find one, NGN 19. Shop owner gave it to me (this is the same fellow who gave me the '61 Paramount - anything's possible with him) I believe there's one or two other drawers with keys in them, I plan to tear through those next time I go there.

In the meantime, I plan on checking the local locksmiths to see if I can find a current key blank that has the same pattern of the NGN. Not likely, but possible. Wish me luck.

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You may indeed need luck with today's locksmiths. They seem to have adopted the same philosophy of business as many Big Box stores: only stock current market items. I have tried in vain to have a door key (Swedish- not very old) replicated and they just return a blank stare.

When I was a kid in the 60's, there was an Ace Hardware in the hood (now a strip mall). That guy would fabricate off any key you brought him. All the dad's went there. No key? No problem. He'd use a file and a thin grinding wheel attched to a bench grinder. In about a half hour, and for $2.50, you'd have your key.

Keep digging in those dusty drawers. It's probably your best hope.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Well, until now, I never thought of digging through the LBS's drawer of various old keys to see if I could find any NGNs. Today, I took the opportunity to do so.

Sure enough, I did find one, NGN 19. Shop owner gave it to me (this is the same fellow who gave me the '61 Paramount - anything's possible with him) I believe there's one or two other drawers with keys in them, I plan to tear through those next time I go there.

In the meantime, I plan on checking the local locksmiths to see if I can find a current key blank that has the same pattern of the NGN. Not likely, but possible. Wish me luck.

Take care,

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Keep your eyes peeled for NGN 29 when you do, okay?
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You may indeed need luck with today's locksmiths. They seem to have adopted the same philosophy of business as many Big Box stores: only stock current market items. I have tried in vain to have a door key (Swedish- not very old) replicated and they just return a blank stare.

When I was a kid in the 60's, there was an Ace Hardware in the hood (now a strip mall). That guy would fabricate off any key you brought him. All the dad's went there. No key? No problem. He'd use a file and a thin grinding wheel attched to a bench grinder. In about a half hour, and for $2.50, you'd have your key.

Keep digging in those dusty drawers. It's probably your best hope.
I know that a good locksmith can be hard to find, but there's a top-notch one the next town over from where we live. If you guys get stuck trying to find matching key stock, and trust me to do the mission, send it to me and I'll do the legwork. As for grinding the key - I don't have a clue how to do that without some additional information - but at least it would be progress.
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Well, I found a guy in Texas, Steve at Steve's Lock Shop works with lots of vintage car keys, and cut me three new keys "to code". That is, I have no original, just the NGN 11 on the lock face. Should get here in 3 days, then we'll see if they work or not! USAZorro, I pm'd you.

I'm sure with an original, there may be a modern blank that fits the bill. As it was, it was 9$ for the "to code" set up, plus $5 for each key. Meaning I have more invested in the keys than in the bike!! Also, Steve said he'd running out of $5 blanks, and the price is going up, so he's looking into other sourcing. Really, the big thing is finding someone who will cut to code if you don't have an original.

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Old Bike Trader https://oldbiketrader.co.uk/ have the keys for these locks. They are 8.00 GBP each, and you will need the NGN number to order
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Kind of a late reply to this thread But the key blanks are available at a GOOD locksmith. The one in our small town had blanks. There is also somewhere that has them in stock with the number. I will research and post the link, ditto the key blank number when I get back home. Also FWIW check your locking plate, my 1972 Superbe will lock in 3 different positions not just straight ahead.

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Try Oldroads, Chris has a lot of these keys and will send them out for someone who wants one. There is some talk on their English Roadster area.
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Okay here is my update. The key blanks I have are made by Star or ilco. The Star key is the one that came with the bike and the blank number is BN1 K122D the ilco blanks are BN1 K1122D I just got those recently from my local locksmith. Forget going to the big box stores...they can't even cut keys for a Master padlock

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I had an old raleigh (circa 1940-50) that had a lock on the front fork, when I was a teenager. It was cool because it had three lock "settings", you could lock the fork straight forward, or turned slightly left or right. We used to crack ourselves up simulating a bike thief riding away with it locked straight. They bike would tip in slow motion. A very cool feature, I always thought. (Unfortunately my parents gave it away later, when I moved out)
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Raleigh Superbe Fork Lock

Hi. I have just obtained an '86 Superbe in good condition but no Key for Fork Lock. There doesn't appear to be any number on the Lock. Any Ideas?. Thanks for reading this, hut27
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