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Old 07-01-06, 05:15 PM
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Check out my new Italian steel!

Hi everyone!

Today marks my first foray into Italian steel. This is Carla; she's probably a Guercotti, but she's been painted over so I'm not certain. I picked her up from a local shop, they were selling her on consignment. 59cm, Columbus SLX tubing, Campy dropouts. Any way to identify what exactly she is? There's no serial number on the bottom bracket shell, only three parallel cutouts, to drain water.

As for the build, I'm going to use all Campy, of course. But I am new to this type of project, so I'd appreciate your input on how I should procede. I'm looking at a new set of Campy Vento wheels on Ebay, and I'm leaning towards using the anodized grey Centaur stuff in the drivetrain- cranks + derailleurs. But please, any ideas or guidance you have for me, please be generous.

Be seein' you around!

(also, can someone remind me what to measure so I know what size BB to get? 110mm? 115?)







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Old 07-01-06, 08:14 PM
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Very Nice... similar features to my italian steel but nicer. I would love to seem some close ups of the fork, the crown area in particular and the inside of the drop outs (don't ask why).

1. Measure the rear spacing, it is almost certainly 126mm, you may chose to have this "cold set" to 130 if you are going modern or you can slip in the new wheel with a little strength. If it is 128 then perfect, you don't need to touch it.

2. I have the centaur grey group and love it, looks fantastic, I highly recommend. The LBS will tell you what length BB to get when you buy the cranks. I think it is 113mm if I am not mistake for 10speed centaur. Make sure you get an italian BB.

It should go together pretty smoothly

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Any idea behind the significance of "Carla"? Was that a Guerciotti model?
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Old 07-01-06, 08:28 PM
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Nice bike! Not a Guerciotti but is probably a Gialma, Carla Gialma, also not a girl, but a dude. It does not have a decal set (other than the SLX one) but it does not look like it has been painted over, what makes you think so?

As mentioned, if you go with modern gear it will need a minor spread in the rear. I like it, rare, steel, looks like the plating is still good, I hope you got it for a decent price.

Build it up, let 'er rip!!

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Old 07-01-06, 08:37 PM
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Fancy-dancy internal cable routing through the downtube and out again. How does the rear brake cable mount? I'd avoid riding that bike in the rain......

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Old 07-01-06, 08:40 PM
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Very very nice! I think Centaur comes in either 111 or 115.5.
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Old 07-01-06, 09:58 PM
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Hey everyone, thanks for the input. It's actually spaced to 130 in the back, so no worries there. I'll keep you posted as I build it up.

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Old 07-01-06, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by vjp
Nice bike! Not a Guerciotti but is probably a Gialma, Carla Gialma, also not a girl, but a dude. It does not have a decal set (other than the SLX one) but it does not look like it has been painted over, what makes you think so?

As mentioned, if you go with modern gear it will need a minor spread in the rear. I like it, rare, steel, looks like the plating is still good, I hope you got it for a decent price.

Build it up, let 'er rip!!

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Does anyone know any more about Gialma? I couldn't find him in Sheldon's Brown price guide. Just wondering.

I guess you're right, it's not been repainted, just lost its decals.
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Very very nice! I think Centaur comes in either 111 or 115
Yes.

And, YES, I really love my Centaur crankset and ACH BB. It looks great AND shifts great.
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Old 07-01-06, 10:30 PM
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that is a ****ing gorgeous frame.
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Hate to bust your bubble, and I don't mean to start trouble - but I have dealt with many classic lugged steel frames. If all the other decals are gone/no head tube decals or badge - one must question why the Columbus SLX decal is still there and quite intact. This usually indicates someone just bought a Columbus decal and put it on frame. Usually the Columbus and Reyolnds decals are the first to go - in any case there is no logical reason why that's the only decal. Such practice happens often in an attempt to raise price of the frame.

It's still a realy nice frame and nice lug work.
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it is a very nice frame with nice lug work. I have the same BB on my bike. Feel the inside of the stays, downtube and seattube via the BB. If you can feel the ridges (splines) it's SLX.

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Run your finger in the bottom of the downtube, seat-tube and chainstays, if you can feel the raised splines it is SLX. Look in the bottom of the steerer tube, if it has splines it is Columbus.

It doesn't surprise me at all that there are no decals on it, the mid to late 80's was the start of extensive use of screen printed and cut vinyl decals and they are easily damaged and removed. Later on, clearcoat started to be sprayed over the graphics and they were more likely to be still installed even if horribly mangled over the years.

Check for the splines!

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Old 07-01-06, 11:59 PM
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Hey, aren't WE smart, and both in Van!

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We've got splines! In the tubes coming out of the BB cluster it feels like there are ridges about 1/4 inch apart, all the way around.

Also, I found a serial number on the steerer tube: 348 665064. I doubt I'd be able to learn anything much about the bike using that. Has anyone collected info on Carla Gialma's bikes?
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That is an awesome looking frame!!! I really like the lugging and seatstays on it.
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Originally Posted by No_Minkah
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(also, can someone remind me what to measure so I know what size BB to get? 110mm? 115?)
I guess it will be 111. (all the campy groups I had bar Record and recent Chorus used this length for road double).
Older campy BB axles had a number on them indicating the rear fork width they were intended for something like xx-126-xx.
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Originally Posted by vjp
Not a Guerciotti but is probably a Gialma, Carla Gialma, also not a girl, but a dude.
The frame seemed sexier as a female. Thanks for ruining my fantasy.
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Old 07-04-06, 10:33 AM
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With the chrome stays and head lugs, I suspect it is indeed a high-end frame.

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Agreed, It's obviously a top-line frame, just look at the details, they don't lie! Looks like the original paint with decals stripped, that was nothing unusual back in the day. It looked 'cleaner' and drew attention to the quality...especially if the graphics were kind of ugly. If somebody resprayed it, they did a very true-to-original job, including filling all the pantographing...more likely this is the paint it came with. It's a beauty.
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Just as a note of clarification, it does not say Carla which would always be a female name in Italian, but rather Carlą; with an accent on the last "a". The accent means that you are to put the emphasis on the last syllabel. This would make it more than likely a last name. The initial letter could also be "G" instead of "C" that you have thought up until now. I know nothing about a builder Carlą; or Garlą; for that matter. I can however state categorically that this is not a Guerciotti. Enjoy the bike.

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carla

a friend of mine was stationed in aviano italy during the late 80s early 90s and he brought back a carla it had the diamond shaped tubing like the colnago master. the bike was built in southern italy. he had down tube stickers and sold the bike a few years later. it was one of the most beautiful steel frames i have ever seen and i ride a pinarello. great craftsmanship, thanks 4 the pix it was a treat to see a carla again. true it was built by gialma "carlo" carla true he only put campy on his bikes and my friends was custom with lemonds geometry, and custom paint true piece of art hope that helps.
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Sweet frame...drool-worthy.
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Originally Posted by vobopl View Post
I guess it will be 111. (all the campy groups I had bar Record and recent Chorus used this length for road double).
Older campy BB axles had a number on them indicating the rear fork width they were intended for something like xx-126-xx.
When I built the Palo Alto, the Pinarello, and the Battaglin, I used the 111mm ACH BB with the Centaur 10sp triple crank.

See page 13, here:
http://www.campagnolo.com/repository...kset-07-05.pdf
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It's a shame that this thread is almost 2 years old and the OP never did post pics of it built. Props to unicorn11 for reviving this thread. Really cool frame indeed.
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