Groene_Leeuw

Hi,
Does anyone know what model this is? It looks like a professional racing model for there is this little ring for mounting you racing-number, but you can also mount fenders at the drop-outs. Strange...
This Colnago is completely mounted Campagnolo, till the last detail.

Colnago-frame with Campagnolo drop-outs and a Cinelli bb shell

Campagnolo Record front derailleur
Campagnolo Super Record rear derailleur, patent 79
Campagnolo Record gear shifters
Campagnolo Record brake calipers

Campagnolo Super Record brake levers Colnago painting: look close, it's hard to see
there are 3 rows of drillium on the super record lever, here the inner row is painted yellow,
the outer 2 rows are painted red.

Campagnolo Super Record Crankset Colnago painting; spider is painted red en yellow, but also the
chainrings are painted red in the drilled-out holes.

Campagnolo Super Record braquet
Campagnolo Super Record headset

Campagnolo Record hubs
Campagnolo Record pedals

Super Champion Competition rims with "Super Champion" in large stickers.
Cinelli Stem (peanut-logo)
Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars
Cinelli UnicaNitor saddle

and last, but certainly not least:

a Campagnolo Record Colnago pantographed seatpost (I've never ever seen thisparticular item on the internet, usualy there is also a "C" pantographed, but not in this seatpost.)

Please take a look at the pictures.

Too bad the chrome is in extremely bad shape (rusty) en the frame is repainted. But don't worry, I'll make some time to re-chrome every bit and give the frame a new paint-job. Ofcourse, first I must know what the frame looked like when he rolled out of the Colnago factory. So...can anyone help me??

By the way, does anyone know what this colnago is worth in this condition?

cyclezen

This isn't a Colnago.
Even though the 'club' mark looks very close to the Colnago mark.
I could be wrong, but I believe this mark is that of Colmer. Also some very nice bikes.
But definitely not a Colnago.

lotek 

I thought Colner was a contract bike built for Colnago? Colner being a contraction
of COLNago and ERnesto, sort of a low end nago, that used a spade for the
lug cut outs and not a club.
Could this be an early colnago? an imitation (ala windsor/cinelli )?

marty

Lamplight

Does it say "Colnago" on the seat stay plugs? It looks only slightly older than my brother's and his has the name inscribed there. But his also says "Colnago" on the rear dropouts instead of Campy. The top head-tube lug looks just about identical. Also, his has only two rear brake cable guides on the op tube, and this one has three.

Citoyen du Monde

You mention that it has a Cinelli bottom bracket shell. Is it marked as such? If so, this is not a Colnago as Ernesto has told me that he never used a Cinelli branded BB shell. In all honesty, this does not look like and Colnago that I have ever seen. It is also not a Colner which is as Lotek writes a Colnago by another name.

unworthy1

Interesting details...the "club" piercing looks more like a cross in the lugs, and different on the seatpost, still no piercing exactly like any I've seen before. Rear cluster treatment is not Colnago looking, and the pinch bolt threaded into one side I've heard called a "Dutch" style, though I've seen it mostly on British bikes. Last odd clue is what looks like narrow "Reynolds" style fork blades and a "Vagner" or "Wagner" style fork crown...if it's not a replacement fork, I'd look for signs of 531 tubing...

Groene_Leeuw

Here's a picture of the bb to show it's a real cinelli bb.
I guess it's one like this: https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...elli_bbkts.htm

Does anyone know anything more with this info? Lets hope so...

I could ofcourse also try to strip a little something off the paint and see what lies beneath.

ViperZ

What ever it is it would make an awesome rain bike!

lotek 

The more I look at this bike, the more I think Benelux region
(hey, what else would I think).
I wonder if this might be from a small shop/builder
ala de Reus, Kessels, etc. and he used the stylized
clover (the circle at the bottom is reminiscent of french
cross)?

what is the threading on the bike, BB dimensions

Marty

unworthy1

That Cinelli investment-cast BB shell is an "early" style with the tangs oriented at top & bottom. Later styles had the tangs going at 90 degrees to this. Not much help as to the maker, but it might help date it..sort of looks like a 68mm shell, but I'm REALLY guessing at that from just a photo. Benelux seems like a good possibility.

cyclezen

quick 'tell' for frames of this age would be what threading is used. certainly the fork would be distinquishing either Rey. or Col. or 'other'. But forks have been known to be swapped out...
Since Italians used almost Col. exclusively, and French/Bel/Dutch/English used Rey., the BB threading would prolly tell the country of origin (or at least region if its French thread) and be a place to start looking for the 'make'. A swiss bike would be the rub. That could be anything, and threaded just about in any std.
Ital bikes of that vintage rarely wavered from 27.0-27.2 seatposts... - 26.something was common for many reynolds tubesets... again for that period - 75ish to 83ish. whatz this one have?

The fork is definitely not Colnago, and if I compare it to another Colnago Private Label - Celo Europa - the bike doesn't look anything like those...
seatstay cluster also would be a very unusual one for a Colnago, dropouts were almost always 'Colnago', lots of other 'tell'...
not to say that it wasn't built in the Colnago shipyards, but they certainly didn't use the common materials at hand...

there was another post in C & V some time back with a Colner (sp?) - a search doesn't turn it up - lost during all the BF upgrades???

Groene_Leeuw

Good news: lotek could be right about the benelux region because I'm a belgian and I also bought it in Belgium (Flanders).

I looked trough some old posts on this forum and found this one, take a look at it:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ghlight=colner

It's a Dutch guy (also benelux) with an almost identical frame. He tells it's a 'cornelo' .
Is this possible? You can find his pictures here:
https://www.leunk.com/index.php?optio...d=20&Itemid=38

Oh yes, I just cleaned the bb and it says 1370'' x 24 TPI.

The axle says :

68 - SS - 120
+1 - +1.5

(Could anyone tell me what this stands for??)

The seat post is a 27.2

I hope this is of any use for any bike genius hanging around here.
If there's anyhing else you need to know, just ask.

lotek 

well that seems to have cleared that up.
Its a Dutch house brand Kokke of St Willebrord.
Cornelo is still in business you might want to contact
them for confirmation.
I KNEW I'd seen that lug cutout pattern before. . .
you should contact Leunkenstar also (he's in Amsterdam?).

when you're looking around if you find a Main d'Or or
Zieleman frame 54cm let me know! a good Kessels wouldn't
be bad either.

Given your username I figured you were from Belgium
Groene Leeuw was a very nice bike!

Marty