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ga_mueller 07-29-06 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by bikingshearer
My old, long-dead-and-buried 1992 Bridgestone RB-1 ... had a pretty cool-looking gold decal on the seat tube - it did not look like the one posted above.

And here's that cool gold decal, off my '93 RB-1. Still in great shape!

http://static.flickr.com/68/201401055_663388a8fd.jpg

plodderslusk 07-30-06 03:16 AM

Kuwahara Tornado
 
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This is from my 87 MTB, nice ride.

reverborama 07-30-06 09:35 AM

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These are from my two Fuji's - both Ishiwata. (I hope these attachments work!)

s70rguy 07-30-06 10:18 AM

The Ishiwata decal on my '76 Main d'Or says '022' and 'Speed Gallant'. You gotta love those names!

OLDYELLR 07-30-06 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ga_mueller
Now I'm curious. That Ishiwata "leafy decal" thing on Roccobikes Fuji looks a lot like the partially-removed painted-on decal "Cro-Mo" on my Nishiki. But I was told the tubing was Tange... . Anyone seen one like this before, and know what the removed lettering might be?


http://static.flickr.com/64/201226660_1635f7a8b0.jpg

Here is the seat tube decal on my Nishiki Ultimate. Nobody has ever told me with any certainty what brand tubing it is.

bikingshearer 07-30-06 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by bikingshearer
My old, long-dead-and-buried 1992 Bridgestone RB-1 had Ishiwata tubing. (You should have seen the crack - down tube, seat tube and BB shell all involved. An aluminum or carbon fiber frame would have disintegrated instead of merely getting a tad wobbly.)


Originally Posted by beaverstuff
What did you DO to the poor thing? Ishiwata bikes have feelings.

I'm not 100% sure. My best guess is that the crack started as the result of a pretty hard crash (front tire blowout at 30mph+). I didn't see anythig wrong with the frame afterwards. A year or two later, I'm riding up a shortish hill with a couple friends when I look down and see my chainrings swaying a lot more than they should have. Checked the chainring bolts - all there. Looked around a little more carefully, and there is was.

Are the two events related? Like I say, I'm not sure, but I can't think of anything else that happend that might have caused that crack to start, and I'm sure not going to blame Ishiwata or Bridgestone - not that it would have done any good at that point, even if I had wanted to.

beaverstuff 07-30-06 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by reverborama
These are from my two Fuji's - both Ishiwata.

Time for me to post my pics. The Ishiwata strip is my custom addition - easier than viewing the stamping on the steer tube!
From Fuji sales, the "FUJI VALite BUTTED TUBING" is double-butted tubing.

beaverstuff 07-30-06 01:38 PM

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The stamping on the steer tube looks like the attached image; all three of my Fujis are so marked.

ga_mueller 07-30-06 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by OLDYELLR
Here is the seat tube decal on my Nishiki Ultimate. Nobody has ever told me with any certainty what brand tubing it is.

Hey! Thank you very much! The missing lettering on my Nishiki's "leafy decal" is "Double Butted", exactly like on yours.

This is another really cool thread!

George

beaverstuff 07-30-06 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by ga_mueller
This is another really cool thread! George

Thanks! It's rather esoteric - arcane even. I never thought it would take off like this. :o
Like I said earlier, "those lucky enough to have a Ishiwata-framed bike are fiercely loyal".
They're also very proud! :D

ga_mueller 07-30-06 10:14 PM

Esoteric, NOT! We're riding bicycles that represent the end of "classic" bicycle evolution. These bicycles are a match, mechanically, for any "modern" bicycle. If they have 6 cogs instead of 9, what's the difference to an experienced rider? I was on a 65mi ride today with my friend, who has a 27spd LeMond vs my 12spd Nishiki. We ended up neck-to-neck after 5hrs of riding. I rest my case... .

beaverstuff 07-31-06 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by ga_mueller
Esoteric, NOT! . . . the end of "classic" bicycle evolution. These bicycles are a match, mechanically, for any "modern" bicycle. I was on a 65mi ride today with my friend, who has a 27spd LeMond vs my 12spd Nishiki. We ended up neck-to-neck after 5hrs of riding. I rest my case... .

I usually rest my poor knees. I sincerely hope it's not the end; I want to continue to ride my Fujis. They are more than a match for the "modern" stuff.
After 5 hours, I hope you were with your friend! Is not this the stuff we proud owners are made?
I have a very dear friend who pays $500+ for American Classic wheels. Surly, he enjoys his rides as much as I do with hand-me-down Ukai alloy rims.
Pass the epsom salts . . .

dougb 07-31-06 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by moxfyre
I have the same thing on my touring bike... 80s frame of uncertain origin. That feather tubing is great stuff, I love the way it rides :)

I would love to have a good high-res image of that decal, if possible, since mine is falling apart and I'd like to print a new sticker. Anyone know where I can find a high-res Ishiwata feather sticker image?

Unfortunately, most of the printing on my decal has worn away. That's why I lifted an image off the bikecult site that has photos of the same model, but in black. http://www.bikecult.com/works/archive/fujiACE.html

Here's a link to another site that includes scans of a late '80s Fuji catalogue. The touring bikes use Ishiwata Feather tubing. http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/fuji/fujipage.htm

Good luck.

crazyb 07-31-06 07:36 AM

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57...b/DSC_1610.jpg

Off of a Bianchi Brava.

beaverstuff 07-31-06 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by moxfyre
I would love to have a good high-res image of that decal, if possible, since mine is falling apart and I'd like to print a new sticker. Anyone know where I can find a high-res Ishiwata feather sticker image?

I known just the guy for you JR, this email address: wandson1@msn.com
Tell him Jim sent you.

moxfyre 07-31-06 11:34 PM

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dougb and beaverstuff: Thanks very much for your help finding a decal image!!! I'll email your friend ASAP, really appreciate it.

For good measure, here are some photos my Ishiwata pride and joy... it's my 57 cm home-built touring bike, dubbed Steely Dan. An eclectic (read: frugal) mix of Suntour Barcons, Campy brake levers, Shimano LX derailers and canti brakes, Truvativ crank, Shimano 105 hubs, and Mavic MA3 rims. I got the frame off craigslist in Feb 2005 from a guy in Cincinnati, and from the looks of it, it had never been built up. It's a great bike to ride 10-20 miles every day; I'd never experienced a really good quality steel frame before I hopped on this one.

The origin of the frame is a bit of a mystery to me. It's labeled "Backroads Mistaya" on the top + down tubes, while the head tube says "Backroads Adventure Touring". My boss used to live in California and said Backroads was a company that organized guided bike tours out there, but I don't know what this means about the age or original purpose of the frame. The frame has the usual braze-ons, plus a THIRD water bottle holder UNDER the down-tube. The coolest feature is a spare-spoke holder brazeon on the right chainstay, which holds two spare spokes for when you need 'em. Clearly this frame was built with a focus on the details, but by whom?

As you can see, the decal has suffered from frequent snow, rain, mud, and Simple Green.

This is a great thread. I had no idea there was anyone else out there who'd wondered about Ishiwata, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who appreciates it :)

http://myxo.css.msu.edu/danimal/bike...2006_small.jpg

M-theory 08-01-06 12:23 AM

I'm trying to find out if my Viner track frame is Ishiwata.....What are your Ishiwata seatpost/seattube dimensions?

Mine is 27mm seattube and 26.4 seatpost... leaving .6 thick tubes.

beaverstuff 08-01-06 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by M-theory
I'm trying to find out if my Viner track frame is Ishiwata.

All you have to do is drop your fork out of the head-set and look on the steer tube.
(see image above - same topic) :rolleyes:
Have any of you readers done this?? :(

beaverstuff 08-01-06 05:29 AM

Folks,
I have a small link on Ishiwata, collected from a variety of sources:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/.../Ishiwata.html
This is a free site, sooooooo, beware of the ads! ;)


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