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Campy Nuovo Record long-cage derailleur?

Old 08-15-06, 01:27 AM
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Campy Nuovo Record long-cage derailleur?

Here's a question for the Campy Illuminati:

I have in my hand a Campy Nuovo Record Pat. 72 long-cage derailleur. What is this? I thought Campy Rally in about '76 was the first Campy long-cage deralleur?

Could someone have put a Rally long cage on a Nuovo Record? I'll try to get a photo up if it helps.

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yah, skip spence at Cupertino bike shop used to
do this mod (iirc).

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ooops, not skip spence (founding member of moby grape, and Jefferson Airplane) but
Spence Wolf was at cupertino
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Now that's what I call the ultimate in touring derailers, both performance-wise and for snob appeal .

Who cares about the Huret Duopar - I'd love to have one of those long-cage NR pieces on my Trek 728. I have a spare NR derailer...if I only had the Rally cage...

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Kurt, you have a PM from me regarding the above.
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Long cage campy NR's

I believe Bicycle Classics used to sell the long cages that could be put on the NR bodies. Kind of like a new model Campy Ralley with fancy hanger and pivot bolts! ew
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The Cage on this thing looks like Campy Record quality... The hanger nut is nicely inlaid and overall it looks just a regular Nuovo short cage but much longer. I guess it must be a Rally cage... I'll have to find a photo of one and compare.

Thanks all.
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By the way...look how much a Campy Rally Deraileur goes for!!!:
https://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Campagnolo-R...QQcmdZViewItem
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Originally Posted by M-theory
By the way...look how much a Campy Rally Deraileur goes for!!!:
https://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Campagnolo-R...QQcmdZViewItem
First gen Rally, NOS. I believe it.

(Hell, after you've sold an NOS - but incomplete - C-Record RD for $305, you'll believe anything)

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Originally Posted by lotek
ooops, not skip spence (founding member of moby grape, and Jefferson Airplane) but
Spence Wolf was at cupertino
A true fugitive of the late 60's/early 70's: Being unable to tell the difference between rock and roll and bicycles probably has something to do with the drugs ingested while enjoying both.

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uh, busted.

syke saw a very nice mondarian Rossin today on dutch market place
(or was it ebay? I forget).

Found it:
https://cgi.ebay.com/Rossin-Mondrian-...mZ190020112359
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Sha-weeet bicci, that's actually understated paint for a Rossin! Who d'ya think made the IC BB shell for Rossin? I have a Cinelli "aero" style shell on my Ciocc, but have never seen this chunky-type on any make, before.
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""Hell, after you've sold an NOS - but incomplete - C-Record RD for $305, you'll believe anything)""

Yeah C-Record derailleurs do alright but how about those damn C-Record high-flange Pista hubs? Try $900 NOS & $650 in good used shape. The road version gets around $500 used.
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Originally Posted by M-theory
Yeah C-Record derailleurs do alright but how about those damn C-Record high-flange Pista hubs? Try $900 NOS & $650 in good used shape. The road version gets around $500 used.
Well, I'm lucky then - I can a set of those high-flange, NOS, C-Record Pista hubs at the LBS for about $450 or so. Only wish I had a use for the damn things.

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ooops, not skip spence (founding member of moby grape, and Jefferson Airplane) but
Spence Wolf was at cupertino
Just curious, did Spence Wolf ever have a shop in Pacific Grove, California? Name sounds familiar from childhood cycling days?
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Don't think so, but PG isn't all THAT far from Cupertino. Here's a quote from the history page of the Cupertino Bike site: Our shop opened in 1953 with Spence Wolf as the owner. We have records dating back to 1954 — at which time we could sell a high end Cinelli road bike, complete, for $67.50! My, how times have changed...
Now for a link tangent: I have a Patent 1973 NR rear derailleur with the long Rally cage modification (probably done by Spence) for sale. I offered it to Kurt (see above), but he had other things more pressing to buy, so if anyone is interested, PM me. Big Caveat: the body of the derailleur is bent and one of the pivot pins is also damaged, so this is basically for parts, especially for the long cage so as to make one of these out of a regular NR RD you have on hand. It's otherwise clean and in very good shape, I have pics.
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as i suspect the long cage nouvo record probably was made by spence wolf, who i believe built the hemistour bikes.
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The cage swap could have been done by anyone. The only difficult part is finding a Rally cage.

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Have a Mavic 801/803, functionally similar , 803 is their longer triple cage,
parallelogram same on 801 the short cage, RD for 52/42double .
rear cog capacity 30, a slot adjustment moves guide pulley upward for smaller..

Too bad they gave up on making them, and went back to just rims. & recently, high cost wheels.

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Originally Posted by lotek View Post
ooops, not skip spence (founding member of moby grape, and Jefferson Airplane) but
Spence Wolf was at cupertino
Two of my favorite bands

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So is this 2nd Gen. Rally basically the same as the Nouvo Record with the Rally cage?

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So is this 2nd Gen. Rally basically the same as the Nouvo Record with the Rally cage?
Yep, with the Nuovo Grand Sport lower and upper bolts thrown in to cheapen the deal.

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Here's a homemade record long cage. I figure it wouldn't be too hard to make one and do a better job of finishing it.

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I'd guess its a Rally cage on a Nouvo Record. I added one to my 84 Cinelli, will bolt right on.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Now that's what I call the ultimate in touring derailers, both performance-wise and for snob appeal .

Who cares about the Huret Duopar - I'd love to have one of those long-cage NR pieces on my Trek 728. I have a spare NR derailer...if I only had the Rally cage...
But the actual 1st generation Rally derailleur worked much better than the NR with a Rally cage grafted on it. The sprung upper pivot on the original Rally makes a world of difference.
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