first attempt gluing tubulars failed. now what?
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first attempt gluing tubulars failed. now what?
i glued up my first set of tubulars using the colin s. howat instructions. 3 thin coats extending all the way to the edges of the rim allowing the first two to cure and one coat on the base tape. but according to the park tool website i got some starved joints:
my rims are campy neutrons and i'm using veloflex carbons. so i pulled the tires off the rims. it looks like the base tape was mainly held to the rim along the center line of the base tape because along the center line of the base tape i can see white spots where the glue pulled off. along the edges of the base tape the glue is pristine.
now how should i proceed? are neutrons and veloflex carbons known to be a bad fit? my thought is to try to build up the glue near the edges of the rim with a couple more coats and leave the center of the rim as is. will that be too much glue?
my rims are campy neutrons and i'm using veloflex carbons. so i pulled the tires off the rims. it looks like the base tape was mainly held to the rim along the center line of the base tape because along the center line of the base tape i can see white spots where the glue pulled off. along the edges of the base tape the glue is pristine.
now how should i proceed? are neutrons and veloflex carbons known to be a bad fit? my thought is to try to build up the glue near the edges of the rim with a couple more coats and leave the center of the rim as is. will that be too much glue?
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Originally Posted by jtree
i glued up my first set of tubulars using the colin s. howat instructions. 3 thin coats extending all the way to the edges of the rim allowing the first two to cure and one coat on the base tape. but according to the park tool website i got some starved joints:
now how should i proceed? are neutrons and veloflex carbons known to be a bad fit? my thought is to try to build up the glue near the edges of the rim with a couple more coats and leave the center of the rim as is. will that be too much glue?
now how should i proceed? are neutrons and veloflex carbons known to be a bad fit? my thought is to try to build up the glue near the edges of the rim with a couple more coats and leave the center of the rim as is. will that be too much glue?
Did you stir the glue up good with an old spoke or something first?
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Did you stir the glue up good with an old spoke or something first?
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I don't recall if it's Veloflex of one of the other brands of tubulars
but one of them has a layer of latex(?) on the basetape when you purchase
them, and the theory is that the glue disolves this and impregnates the base tape.
Does that always work? I don't know but I suspect it also is dependent on the
formulation of the glue.
The general wisdom on this type of tire is to scrape the latex off the base tape
and then apply the glue.
fwiw when I apply glue to the tire I use enough glue that the tape
takes on a buttery colour, and I use 2 thin layers on the tire. let it dry
about 15 minutes (or until just tacky) and then mount the tire onto pre
glued rim. Center the tire etc. and then pump it up to full working pressure
and let it sit a good 12 hours.
works for me every time.
marty
but one of them has a layer of latex(?) on the basetape when you purchase
them, and the theory is that the glue disolves this and impregnates the base tape.
Does that always work? I don't know but I suspect it also is dependent on the
formulation of the glue.
The general wisdom on this type of tire is to scrape the latex off the base tape
and then apply the glue.
fwiw when I apply glue to the tire I use enough glue that the tape
takes on a buttery colour, and I use 2 thin layers on the tire. let it dry
about 15 minutes (or until just tacky) and then mount the tire onto pre
glued rim. Center the tire etc. and then pump it up to full working pressure
and let it sit a good 12 hours.
works for me every time.
marty
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I don't recall if it's Veloflex of one of the other brands of tubulars
but one of them has a layer of latex(?) on the basetape when you purchase
them, and the theory is that the glue disolves this and impregnates the base tape.
but one of them has a layer of latex(?) on the basetape when you purchase
them, and the theory is that the glue disolves this and impregnates the base tape.
fwiw when I apply glue to the tire I use enough glue that the tape
takes on a buttery colour
takes on a buttery colour
I use 2 thin layers on the tire
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Did you pump up the tires to max pressure after seating and centering them on the rims? That is something that I learned to do in the 1970s. If you do that before the last coat of glue completely sets you shouldn't end up with what you show in the photo.
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Did you pump up the tires to max pressure after seating and centering them on the rims? That is something that I learned to do in the 1970s. If you do that before the last coat of glue completely sets you shouldn't end up with what you show in the photo.
if i brake while going down a long hill will that cause the glue to melt and flow around the tire and adhere better?
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Originally Posted by jtree
yes. i also pushed down on the axles while rolling the wheels on the floor to seat the tires properly per the instructions before inflating to max.
if i brake while going down a long hill will that cause the glue to melt and flow around the tire and adhere better?
if i brake while going down a long hill will that cause the glue to melt and flow around the tire and adhere better?
but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Originally Posted by jtree
if i brake while going down a long hill will that cause the glue to melt and flow around the tire and adhere better?
I think you just need more glue. One tube per wheel on a new set is completely normal.