Sammyboy

I'm trawling for bargains. Not sure what this is.......


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-RACING...QQcmdZViewItem

tolfan

if you are in the united states shipping will be a killer and dont forget the exchange rate

Sammyboy

I'm in the UK, hence UK Ebay. Sadly, though, I know nothing about Peugeots (I was put off them when I was a kid, and everyone and his mum had one)

USAZorro

Seems a fair price if you're planning on keeping it. It doesn't look like a PX-10, and is quite possibly not one you'll make a big killing on if you sell. Wait and see what Poguemahone, Theotherguy, John E, or one of the folks who know their Peugeots well have to say though.

Poguemahone

I believes it is a mid seventies Peugeot PR10. Uncertain, but that looks like a Reynolds sticker on the downtube.

Interestingly, I recently gave away all my spare frames. The Peugeots went in a minute. I suppose now every mother's son has one...

Dusk

Eddy Merckx rode bikes painted like Peugeots but build by someone else. Peugeots are more a collector bike than a rider's bike.

Cheers,
Dusk

Poguemahone

"Eddy Merckx rode bikes painted like Peugeots but build by someone else. Peugeots are more a collector bike than a rider's bike."

Merckx actually rode stock PXs, as did the entire Peugeot team thru the seventies at least (Tom Simpson, Theveneut, Pingeon, etc.). If you read contemporary accounts of Theveneut's bikes, for example, they are always mentioned as stock. The bikes were built at the main Peugeot factory and assembled by team mechanics in Paris.

edit: if in doubt, peruse period race photos. The load on these bikes is clearly stock Simplex/Mafac/Stronglight, and if the bikes were built by someone else, they are remarkable copies. I don't doubt extra care was spent on team bikes, but they were in in-house Peugeot product. As to the comment about not being a rider's bike, well, that's true if you don't ride 'em.

Grand Bois

I strongly disagree.

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Huh !?!?!

reverborama

I REALLY enjoyed riding my U0-10. I don't know why you wouldn't enjoy it!

Sammyboy

When I took my track bike out yesterday, I got stopped by a late middle age builder who wanted to know if I liked "them old drop handlebar bikes". I said yes, and he said he had 2 Peugeots in his garage, and would bring them over for me. "I only want a beer for them" he said. That'll work for me!

Lectron

Yes that's just what you needed. More bikes

USAZorro

Sounds a better deal than the PR-10. (Not that 50 pounds would be egregious for it, but...) You could double his asking price and still do very well.

Grand Bois

I'd rather have one PR-10 than a half dozen UO-8's.

USAZorro

I think Sam's looking to flip them though.

Dusk

The pictures show you the paint not what is under it. The equipment hanging on it was stock. If you read Merckx's interviews and why he now builds bikes. It all comes back to him having bikes built for him custom then painted. He is qouted about how bad the Peugeots were on decents. Books from the time don't say they are not stock. but now enough time as passed they can talk about it. Back with Merckx was riding I was wrenching we all thought they were stock. But in the last few years Eddy has spoken.

If look at Lance Armstron's TT bike in 1999 it is painted Trek but it is a Lightspeed. That is also in the books if you want to read them.

Trakhak

Merckx rode for Peugeot in 1967, at the beginning of his professional career, before he had the clout to demand custom bikes. When he complained about riding a Peugeot in the Alps, he was talking about the Mafac brakes, not about the frame. I've read that riders on bikes with French component groups would, at the top of an Alpine descent, ride up next to a rider with Universal brakes and say "Mafac!"; the rider with the Mafac-equipped bike would grab the back of the saddle of the other rider, who would then brake for both of them.

Side note on Peugeot team bikes: a writer for Bicycling magazine who wandered into the bike prep area before the start of a Tour stage in 1976 idly picked up the front wheel from Thevenet's bike and spun it. He was amazed to discover that the hub felt as if it were packed with gravel. He pointed this out to the head mechanic, who shrugged and said, "It doesn't slow him down."

Sammyboy

Ah come on, I've sold MOST of them now. I've got 6 frames to go though, 2 Claud Butlers, two Falcons, a Freddie Grubb, and a Carlton. All 531 except the Falcons.

John E

How about a PR-10 (actually, PKN-10E) and AND a UO-8?

The bike in question is DEFINITELY a PR-10 or PKN-10; the seller posted that it has "Reynolds 3 Tubes Renforces."

Dusk

In 1976 they still were talking that all was stock I agree. Bicycling US, magazine didn’t have much depth with writers that were close to pro cycling in 1976. Look at the history the US was just starting to break the Europe barrier. Yes they were the mainstream source of information for us in the US…but I would believe National Geographic over People magazine about history wouldn’t you? If you read Cycle Sport US or England version or Pro Cycling England version, Ride magazine from Australia, Cycling Plus from Britain you will find the more depth and honest history.

If you don’t read the press of Europe or have access to it, please don’t think you know all that is published.

Okay flame me those of you that don’t know the facts….LOL

Cheers,
Dusk.

USAZorro

I've heard speculation that Merckx and Simpson rode Masi's. Of course there are people who say that Joop won the Tour on a Masi too. I'd take anything with a grain of salt.

Grand Bois

I'd rather have my PX-10 than three of each of those.

I believe that bike is a 1976 PR-10. I used to sell them, but it's been 30 years.

Cool Steel

Hi guys,

hope I can clear things up a bit about the Merckx controversy:

Dusk is wrong!!


The following list about Eddy's bikes is said to be written down by the master himself:

1965 - Superia (stock bike)
1966 - Peugeot (stock bike)
1967 - Peugeot (stock bike) and Masi
1968 - Masi
1969 - Marcel Van der Este
1970 - Pella Torino
1971 - Colnago and Kessels
1972 - Colnago and Kessels
1973 - Colnago and Kessels
1974 - DeRosa and Kessels
1975 - DeRosa and Kessels
1976 - DeRosa and Kessels
1977 - DeRosa


Look at the picture in the first attachment and you can see a real Peugeot PX-10 between Eddy's legs (late 1967, in world champion outfit while still riding for Peugeot).

But - the bike in the second attachment should be a Masi, still in Eddy's Peugeot years.

The third attachment shows a Masi for sure, with Eddy already riding for Faema in what should be early 1968. Looks quite similar to the frame in the 2nd picture, doesn't it!?

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And, btw: yes, the bike in the auction is a 1976 PR-10.
The small sticker above the shifters should be the 'Reynolds 531 straight' decal that the seller describes in his ad as indicator of "RENOLDS 3 TUBE", so PR-10 is correct.
The more moderate angle of the steerer tube, shorter chainstays and white colour with white lugs hint towards a 1976 bike (the 1975 had a 76 degree fork angle and quite long wheelbase.)
Bike is not too original partswise (derailleurs, seatpost, saddle; stem?).
Should ride nicely, nothing to collect though [yet].
Seems to be the 64 cm version, more on the tall side. Well worth the current price as the frame is just about a pound heavier than the PX-10 but rides just as well; the thicker stays may even be a better choice for this frame size than 531 db (PX-10 of this height can be quite "flexy")!

Sammyboy

Hmmm. I'm kinda tempted. My usual modus operandi, however, would be to strip it and sell the components. I've a feeling this isn't going to be piled high with the nicest stuff.

It's about my size, but I don't think I want it myself. I would like a high-end French bike, but rather a Gitane or a Mercier (or both). I just can't get excited about Peugeots generally....

Poguemahone

I've been out riding over the weekend, so it's nice to see some further confirmation. I got interested in this issue about six months ago and have been researching since. I have found no references, other than internet postings such as Dusk's, without attribution, to the bike not being Pugs. On the other hand, I have found several contemprary references to Peugeot team bikes being stock. In addition, I have a 67 PX, so it's not paint I'm comparing, it's the details on the frame.

Interestingly, the bikes Merckx rode, at least in 66, were actually painted special-- the white bike with black lugs (team colors) was apparently not available for public sale until 1967.

Poisonally, if I were going for an early french stock bike, I would either want an earlier Pug than the PR (and a PX to boot), or a Follis or a Motobecane. This is based on years of piling up entirely too many old Frenchies.